The moral of the story is that shouldn't recruit and support hackers in your guild kids.  

Moral of the story is to be smart and not recruit people you don't know. Don't noon recruit. It's your fault. Your members were told to noob recruit so it doesn't matter that it wasn't a leader. Hopefully you learned to only use your members like your supposed to. No Helpers or Temps, those are basically the same. I don't usually protect XOR, but how do you know it was him? Matt and other staff could have done it.  

Posted by Queen Kolosal

I am the leader of Epic Kolosals and let me explain what happened to all of u that dont already know. First off I was offline. Never got a pm explaining or anything. Some new person was gralat hackin when at swamp. WE ALREADY HAD SWAMP. we did not then nor have we ever hacked/glitched to take a tower. He was gralat hacking which has NOTHING to do with our tower time. No one was on to kick him and instead of Xor doing his job and banning HIM and only him, he disbanned my guild. I wasnt even on AND it had nothing to do with tower time. Guilds aren't free and i lost money when I WASNT EVEN ON. because being an Admin has went straight to Xors head

I have reported several glitchers who have beein trying to take a tower and nothing but a warning, if that, is givin. So its ok to glitch to take towers, just not gralat hack when u already have a tower. Great example your setting for these kids Xor.

And the one doin the hacking was on the next day when I got on. He really learned his leason didnt he. Im pretty sure the maker of Graal would be very disappointed of how Admins handle the game. I spend real money on this game, yet the ones hacking and stealing money from Graal can do as they please. It's pathetic

You don't have trusted recruiters, how much to you trust your members?  

Also. Who do you think oversees staff? The manager. Who over sees him? Stefan. Owner and creator of graal.so no. He wouldn't be disapointed. As for tower time and gralat hacking, it wouldnt have happened if you'd done what you people are suppossed to , take a tower with your guild members, no temps or noob recruiting and such  

Posted by Higbey

I don't usually protect XOR, but how do you know it was him? Matt and other staff could have done it.

Because he was chillin on our flag,and I do believe a leader recieved a pm from him

Why does he wipe time tho? It was a GRALAT hack not a TOWER hack  

It was still A HACK  

I was about to help ya out but then on the reply page I scrolled down and saw your rude comments... Chill out. Calling any of us pathetic won't motivate us to give you your guild back. Like Higbey said you guys shouldn't have recruited that hacker.  

Posted by Queen Kolosal

The leader (me) did not recieve any pm. I have tried to get in contact with Xor several times and no response. If he did the right thing and stands by what he did then BE A MAN AND EXPLAIN HIMSELF. but no instead he purposly ignores us. Like i said he's pathetic. And I did not recruit the kid. When i loged off it was just my members. Whoever recruited him so what hes a noob. No one knew he was a gralat hacker til after the fact. And all u people say dont noob recruit. Well im glad Im not a ***** like u all or we wouldnt have anyone playing graal would we. The new people have to start somewhere. And no gralat hackin has NOTHING to do with tower time. Xor just has his nose stuck up Abstracts ass, and since how they reported him he reset our hours. And no the maker of the game would NOT be happy that the hacker himself is STILL doing the gralat hack.

Once again. If XOR never pmed you how do you know it was him? And why would he pm you? "I'm going to delete your guild. Is this okay? Please respond". You aren't giving new players a start. Your just abusing them by kicking them when they go offline and recruiting another to do your work.

Do you really think they would have disbanded your guild and just left the gralat hacker? Of course they banned him. You should only recruit people you trust, and tell your guild members to only recruit who they trust. It doesn't matter you werent the one that did it. Thats what you get for giving them powers and the instructions to noob recruit.

And if you think that deleting your guild is the most terrible thing he has done then you honestly dont know XOR.  

Posted by Higbey

Your fault for noob recruiting. If you people would only use your members to take em like your supposed to stuff like this wouldn't happen and tower taking would be more fair. Noob recruiting would probably be against the rules if it wasn't for the fact lots of staff member guilds noob recruit (they act like calling them temps makes it different)

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At Advent V, we quite rarely temp, and when we do, its for a good reason. (2+ towers, low member count, etc.)  

Higby i will say this again, Xor was on our flag so of course it was him!!! And why should we have out tower time wiped for some noobish temp gralat hacking?
And sorry Queen but NYN is right u r being mean, If we want it fixed we should be nicer.
And stop saying we desevrve it for noob recruiting, It doesnt matter wheather it was a perm or temp it is still a gralat hack not tower but gralat. And if a guy walks in ur tower and asks for recruit of course u recruit him! Its in the middle of the night and extra help cant hurt.
Also yes a hack is a hack, but gralats have nothing to do with towers unless u r gonna buy a guilds tower from them but we had swamp so whatever. So wouldnt a reasonable punishment be banning the temp hacker, and not deleting the guild?  

I suppose a more fitting punishment would be to make you pay for every gralat he hacked to get your guild back. At least you'll learn your lesson this way. No temps. No noob recruits, just play as intended, with a group of up to 25 people you know

Also yesthe hacker was banned. Did you think they would find out he was doing it, delete the guild, and leave the hacker?  

This pretty much sums up the community. Everyone is so cold, get some sympathy.  

Sympathy for a guild that made a mistake because they were doing something they shouldn't?  

Posted by Higbey

Sympathy for a guild that made a mistake because they were doing something they shouldn't?

Sheesh have a little sympathy. They did lose over 430 hours from one little mistake. The leader wasn't on and couldn't control who recruited who. They're not the only ones who noob recruit there are a ton of guilds that have been doing that for ages and they recruit one hacker by accident and it's all over? I would be pretty p'd off. The hacker should have been punished not the guild. There are hackers out there who wear guild tags, but you don't see their guild getting disbanded now do you?  

Posted by Queen Kolosal

The leader (me) did not recieve any pm. I have tried to get in contact with Xor several times and no response. If he did the right thing and stands by what he did then BE A MAN AND EXPLAIN HIMSELF. but no instead he purposly ignores us. Like i said he's pathetic. And I did not recruit the kid. When i loged off it was just my members. Whoever recruited him so what hes a noob. No one knew he was a gralat hacker til after the fact. And all u people say dont noob recruit. Well im glad Im not a ***** like u all or we wouldnt have anyone playing graal would we. The new people have to start somewhere. And no gralat hackin has NOTHING to do with tower time. Xor just has his nose stuck up Abstracts ass, and since how they reported him he reset our hours. And no the maker of the game would NOT be happy that the hacker himself is STILL doing the gralat hack.

Oh for the love of god.... SHUT UP!!!
Your guild noob recruited with blindfolds on... Because i see none of your members actually realized who the hell they're hiring...

Its your own responsibility... You're the leader who hired these idiots who noob recruited hackers.... The leader is responsible for every one of his teammates...

Now shut up and take the punishment...
Its a game kid... Grow up already...