Posted by Higbey

Well it's definitly a problem having to manage both, he is just one guy, but I guess he won't have that much going on pc classic...

He has a habit of managing different servers and is used to this sort of thing being a former PWA, Global Guilds Admin, Co-Manager on Zodiac, etc...
Graal's big boys seem to like him.

And to all Classic iPhone Players:
I'm pretty sure that Xor won't be affected by this and he'll be on just as much as he was yesterday and so forth as he has had this sort of thing happen before without you guys noticing a difference.  

I would like to state that what happens on pc classic has nothing to do with Xor.

he's probably just as aggravated at stefan as we are for this delay.  

Seems even the iPhoners would rebel.  

Unfortunately trying to revolt and get things changed results in situations like these.

There's only a couple clear options:

1. Deal with it and wait/hope for things to get better.
2. Quit supporting Graal, leave and never return.  

Posted by Higbey

Seems even the iPhoners would rebel.

Rebel? Higbey, this is a game. We aren't a country where all the citizens are oppressed. It is a GAME. If you can't see that, I think you need to get outside a bit more.  

Hopefully everything goes back to normal by the end of next week.  

Posted by fp4

Unfortunately trying to revolt and get things changed results in situations like these.

There's only a couple clear options:

1. Deal with it and wait/hope for things to get better.
2. Quit supporting Graal, leave and never return.

3. Hope someone actually leaves and makes a separate graal that can be reached on ios and a lot of the pc players Join it...
If Thor/Rufus did that and had a kick starter id donate.

Posted by Kiwi

Rebel? Higbey, this is a game. We aren't a country where all the citizens are oppressed. It is a GAME. If you can't see that, I think you need to get outside a bit more.

Of course Its not. I mean mutiny, or another word for leave Stefan's graal for a seperate graal project  

Posted by Higbey

If Thor/Rufus did that and had a kick starter id donate.

I'd donate as well.  

Posted by Higbey

3. Hope someone actually leaves and makes a separate graal that can be reached on ios and a lot of the pc players Join it...
If Thor/Rufus did that and had a kick starter id donate.



Of course Its not. I mean mutiny, or another word for leave Stefan's graal for a seperate graal project

I'm just waiting for downsider to hand over his engine to reborn so we can get the ball rolling.  

Gonna say a few things here so sorry if this post is a cool story, bro.

First and foremost, since a few years ago it all hit me at once that there are only two reasons why you dedicate time towards developing a playerworld on Graal:

1. You have a lot of free time, don't need money, and love the game so much that it could be considered a main hobby of yours
2. You're an idiot

Graal, as a game, had a very ingenious model at a very early stage. It's taken the same approach as a game like Minecraft, just more than a decade earlier. On a game like Minecraft and Graal, as the company behind the game, the first thing you build is a way for your players to develop the content of your game for you.

It can be argued that the communities themselves are what made companies like Cyberjoueurs and Mojang rich. Without a dedicated and selfless base of players who are willing to flesh out the skeleton of your game into something that will attract lots of people, you don't have much of a game.


As Thor is a smart guy, I'm inclined to believe that he understood this years ago and he chose to develop and take a leadership role on Classic because he cared about Graal and the Classic community.

If that is the case:

• Why continue to poke fun at the iPhone/Facebook venture?
• Why continue to harass Stefan?
• Why go out of your way to try to run the game your way, and protest certain "business" elements of the game like observer mode?

It's one thing to disagree. If you've played Graal for more than 5 years, you know that the management is completely out of touch with the game. Why has Graal never put developers on salary to create additional content? Why have we never seen an advertising campaign? Why do globals (other than Bell) do so little to help the community?

I agree with many of the things that Thor took a stand against. They're obvious flaws with the management of the game. However, I think it's stupid to insult, harass, and go against that very same management on your playerworld hosted on their servers when you knew how dire the situation was before you committed however many years of your life into pointlessly developing an entire playerworld.


I think Stefan should acknowledge and appreciate the time that Thor (and the rest of the staff, on every playerworld even) took out of his life to contribute to Graal. Players like Thor and fowlplay4 are what keep his game running. They are the people that make him money. He should recognize that. And, Thor should have a little more respect for Stefan's approach. If the management of Graal is uninterested in whatever ideas we have, even if you think it's going to make the company rich, well then that's their decision. That's how running a business works.

Hopefully, Thor will be reappointed and it all works out. And it's a longshot, but hopefully Stefan finds a way to salvage PC Graal. It's been neglected forever and it's just at the point where it's festering and rotting away now. As someone who has managed servers for games like Minecraft and CS:S, it's troubling to consider what Graal could have become, and all of the different approaches the game's management could have taken it that would have 1000 people online right now, even as I type this at almost 6 AM.


Lastly, I've noticed the Classic community lashing out and claiming that this was all the master plan of Stefan. He plotted this so perfectly and wanted to ban Thor at the perfect moment, and then he could appoint Xor as the new manager and steal all of their content and put it on iPhone!

He doesn't have to steal anything. The content is already his. Furthermore, a lot of content on Classic has been recycled over and over, regurgitated for over a decade. It belongs to Graal, it's Stefan's property. This isn't some conspiracy theory. It's a simple case of Thor being a disgruntled playerworld manager who wants more of PC Graal vs. Stefan being someone who wants to stop being ridiculed and humiliated.  

Posted by Kiwi

Rebel? Higbey, this is a game. We aren't a country where all the citizens are oppressed. It is a GAME. If you can't see that, I think you need to get outside a bit more.

He could have meant metaphorically, and regardless to "rebel" on Graal doesn't mean fly over to France and start yelling at Stefan, it might just mean raging in Graal city xD

Posted by Tricxta

I'm just waiting for downsider to hand over his engine to reborn so we can get the ball rolling.

This  

Where's the Negative Rep button so I can neg rep Skill for being an idiot?  

Posted by Azrael

Where's the Negative Rep button so I can neg rep Skill for being an idiot?

It is at the same location as your maturity; nowhere, it is nonexistant.  

Posted by Skill

It is at the same location as your maturity; nowhere, it is nonexistant.

<sarcasm> Ah thanks Skill. Always the most cheerful person to deal with! </sarcasm>  

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