Hello,
So I spar a lot alongside many others in era. Whilst sparring, I find it very fun to win/streak/trickshot etc lol. However, it does get very annoying when there is one dominant sparrer with a bar/souzien dominating the spar but not because of his skills, but because he owns a gun better and more expensive than others. Unfortunately I'm not from the richer part of the world so buying a bar would not he a case for me and I have dug a lot for that souzien but auctions are hard to win lol. I belive spar should be about the skill and attributions of the player and not his gun.

I have a suggestion of making a spar in which everyone uses a balanced gun. Kind of like laser tag when everyone had the same gun and thus having the same chance of winning (well kinda lol). The gun could be a new gun specially designed for spar (which I could make if this idea is taken further) or a balanced gun like an M4 or some sort. This proposal will make sparring in certain bits of era much more balanced and the only way to win would come from time, experienced and skill level instead of what is being used now which is the attributions of the gun and not the player.

Thanks and what you guys think ))))))))  

First off, I'm glad to see people who share the philosophy that 'overpowered guns' shouldn't determine the outcome of a fight. If I had more people that share this idea, it wouldn't be a problem to nerf handicap guns like the BAR and Souizen.

Second off, this isn't a bad idea. We had something like this on PC Era at one point in time, that only allowed single handgun-tier weapons(single AP7, single DEagle, Single P2K, Single Handgun, etc.)

I personally never sparred in it, because guns were balanced back then and it really was just for fun. It was also short-lived because nobody really used it.

I think it would have more use on iEra. Guns like the BAR and Souizen ruin the game, and I can't even do anything about it because there are too many people who paid for that handicap; and would rather hide behind it than acquire skill.

I often think about saying "the hell with it" and just start nerfing these handicap guns to be just slightly better than the rest, instead of extremely overpowered; and then reimburse people with the difference in statistical value in gralats. (I'd nerf the BAR to be worth about 120k and BAR users would get back about 80k)

Simply because it's for the good of the game to amplify competition and make guns more variable.  

Posted by Meph

First off, I'm glad to see people who share the philosophy that 'overpowered guns' shouldn't determine the outcome of a fight. If I had more people that share this idea, it wouldn't be a problem to nerf handicap guns like the BAR and Souizen.

Second off, this isn't a bad idea. We had something like this on PC Era at one point in time, that only allowed single handgun-tier weapons(single AP7, single DEagle, Single P2K, Single Handgun, etc.)

I personally never sparred in it, because guns were balanced back then and it really was just for fun. It was also short-lived because nobody really used it.

I think it would have more use on iEra. Guns like the BAR and Souizen ruin the game, and I can't even do anything about it because there are too many people who paid for that handicap; and would rather hide behind it than acquire skill.

I often think about saying "the hell with it" and just start nerfing these handicap guns to be just slightly better than the rest, instead of extremely overpowered; and then reimburse people with the difference in statistical value in gralats. (I'd nerf the BAR to be worth about 120k and BAR users would get back about 80k)

Simply because it's for the good of the game to amplify competition and make guns more variable.

Very True, A balanced system starting out could have led for room for more but balanced weapons. Now there is no use to buy a weapon cheaper than a Bar, as I cant compete unless I used the same weapon on par.  

Posted by Meph

I think it would have more use on iEra. Guns like the BAR and Souizen ruin the game, and I can't even do anything about it because there are too many people who paid for that handicap; and would rather hide behind it than acquire skill.

I often think about saying "the hell with it" and just start nerfing these handicap guns to be just slightly better than the rest, instead of extremely overpowered; and then reimburse people with the difference in statistical value in gralats. (I'd nerf the BAR to be worth about 120k and BAR users would get back about 80k)

Simply because it's for the good of the game to amplify competition and make guns more variable.

Make player hp 100, boost base movement speed, then bring in some more beast guns. HP so players don't have to run and hide every time someone pulls a bar, speed so you can easily dodge.

In fast spar rooms, the BAR just screws the user over whenever I spar them because of the freeze on shot. With a speed boost it's easy to just flank them and take shots from every angle with M4 or Thompson  

Posted by Ventus277

Very True, A balanced system starting out could have led for room for more but balanced weapons. Now there is no use to buy a weapon cheaper than a Bar, as I cant compete unless I used the same weapon on par.

Buy a Thompson.  

...isn't a Thompson very similar to a bar now?  

Well wait. I've seen people be amazing with just an Uzi so a lot of the time skill does matter. But if you have a gun that rains down bullets no matter what, you'll win. Iera doesn't have that yet but just wait.

And personally I've started using the bar less, despite that the pbp was nerfed and I use it more. I feel the freeze on it really hurts it against guns like the glock and m4.

Then again a lot of people only care about guns for sparring but some care about basing. Because if you're behind a wall it doesn't matter what gun they have. But there are no walls in spar.
Also, even if you did want to give refunds I guarantee Stefan would never allow it, and there's far too many people with it to refund them all. A lot of people with the bar have quit/gone Inactive. And some people used to have it but were reset so..
Sometimes I feel the spar arena is a 1 gun room because everyone either uses glock, m4, or sten. unfortunately there really are only 3 common sparring guns. Until you learn how to use the colt6.  

Glock is hardly used now due to its nerf. It's much easier to beat now as there is an increase of freeze when the bullet is shot. Sten and M4 are the same. You can spam them I guess but it's not hat going past them. But when it's a 10 damaged BAR you're faced with which is being spammed in a corner and just being shot up and then down, you are guaranteed tO lose a high amount of health.

You guess you could apply your scheme of 'nerfing and refunding' Meph, but isn't a simpilar solution just making a new spar in which you are given an automatic gun (and a random spar melee) like EVERYONE else so everyone will have the same chance of winning but the skill level will play a huge role on who wins and looses. After this is applied, a new base in which when you enter, you are given an automatic special gun and melee could also be implied.
I honesty don't see any problems behind this proposal as nerfing the guns and refunding would make the current users complain but making an individual spar (possibly base, fingers crossed) would mean that it is totally optional whether you want to enter or not KNOWING THAT YOUR SKILL LEVEL WILL PLAY A 100% ROLE AND NOT THE ATTRIBUTIONS OF YOUR GUN.

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Even if I use a bar, during spar I would change to the M4. Since Bar sparers REP DOWN  

Do what runescape is doing add more life so theres a range of damage for guns  

Posted by Nezo EBIZOU

Even if I use a bar, during spar I would change to the M4. Since Bar sparers REP DOWN

The Thompson is a great gun now. It fires like bar, 8 damage, and m4-like freeze. Can't go wrong.  

Also, Mk23s are beast. I owned a bar guy with em.  

I got it figured. Delete every gun except bar. See who cries then.  

Posted by Berries

I got it figured. Delete every gun except bar. See who cries then.

It's not crying, it's making a suggestion which I'm sure the majority of 'legit' sparrers will benefit from.