What is the Point of Non-VIP?

Winter · 10-17-2011

What is the point of having the option to not use VIP? 100% of anyone who uses it either hides, boosts, or uses it to get points easy. There is no real reason! It bugs me to spar Player every other match and lose points when i lose because Player clearly has experience, but has a 0-0 score! It shouldn't be making a VIP account, you should upgrade to VIP. When you run out of VIP, and you can no longer share the account on multiple devices, you have to log into VIP anyway!

Can someone explain this from a logical view?

Higbey · 10-18-2011

Your saying make it so you need to use VIP and if you can't you can't play? Basically making this semi subscription a real subscription?

Yephenpeace · 10-18-2011

I'm not sure, but odds are at least one person does this, maybe someone shares an iPod with someone and wants to switch between accounts? Originally the game didn't have a log in and could simply be turned on. So, why would they remove something the game originally had?

Also, i see no problem with second accounts.

Winter · 10-18-2011

Posted by Higbey

Your saying make it so you need to use VIP and if you can't you can't play? Basically making this semi subscription a real subscription?

You probably don't understand it because you have never been able to try it yourself. If you don't buy VIP, you can log into graal like normal. If you do, you can log into VIP. If you do not pay for VIP and your subscription runs out, you can log into VIP on the original device only. My point is that no matter which way you run it, the non-VIP option is never needed, yet still there. Which brings me to this:

Posted by Yephenpeace

I'm not sure, but odds are at least one person does this, maybe someone shares an iPod with someone and wants to switch between accounts? Originally the game didn't have a log in and could simply be turned on. So, why would they remove something the game originally had?

I hadn't thought about that, how possible it is to remove something already there. Possibly remove the option altogether? Someone had to put that option in the game, and I just want to know what was going through their heads at the time.

My opinion is my own, you may or may not agree.

fp4 · 10-18-2011

From a technical point-of-view (seen the scripts) VIP system appears to be something Stefan hacked together.

Spar stats may not be transferring correctly between the two.

Maikeru · 10-18-2011

Posted by Shannon

You probably don't understand it because you have never been able to try it yourself. If you don't buy VIP, you can log into graal like normal. If you do, you can log into VIP. If you do not pay for VIP and your subscription runs out, you can log into VIP on the original device only. My point is that no matter which way you run it, the non-VIP option is never needed, yet still there. Which brings me to this:

Thats like if i paid VIP while im on my ipod touch, then my ipod touch breaks so in the meantime, i play on the FB server of Graal Classic. When my VIP subscription runs out, it requires that i log onto my Ipod touch... But i can't! And i cannot log onto the PC because i sealed its fate to the VIP...

Wow... That sure is one screwed up plan... Again, thats why i don't purchase VIP at all... Because i know the thing hasn't been tested or corrected at its release...

So what happens if i can't log onto my original account because my Ipod touch is broken? Go pay 100-300 bucks to buy a new ipod/iphone just to recover my Graal classic account and keep playing? Nah... Im still not buying the VIP

LUKEEE · 10-18-2011

if sparring experienced non-VIPs are exactly like sparring experienced VIPs then why you having a teary?

Winter · 10-18-2011

Posted by fp4

From a technical point-of-view (seen the scripts) VIP system appears to be something Stefan hacked together.

Spar stats may not be transferring correctly between the two.

Not a complaint, I'm just expressing my opinion and wondering why this is even an option after you transfer everything to a server based account. Also a bit worried about losing three times as many points as I win, especially against these clearly fake accounts. The way I see things, scores are not accurate.

Posted by Maikeru

Thats like if i paid VIP while im on my ipod touch, then my ipod touch breaks so in the meantime, i play on the FB server of Graal Classic. When my VIP subscription runs out, it requires that i log onto my Ipod touch... But i can't! And i cannot log onto the PC because i sealed its fate to the VIP...

Wow... That sure is one screwed up plan... Again, thats why i don't purchase VIP at all... Because i know the thing hasn't been tested or corrected at its release...

So what happens if i can't log onto my original account because my Ipod touch is broken? Go pay 100-300 bucks to buy a new ipod/iphone just to recover my Graal classic account and keep playing? Nah... Im still not buying the VIP

I'm pretty sure if you broke your iPod, you would need an account transfer even if you didn't buy VIP. You just restated how VIP runs, but added in the broken iPod lol. No way around that!

Also, if you want to log into Graal from Facebook without VIP, you would need to begin a new profile, not use the same one. If you haven't tested the system out yourself, why rant on my thread?

Posted by LUKEEE

if sparring experienced non-VIPs are exactly like sparring experienced VIPs then why you having a teary?

The "teary" you're talking about is my point of view. What makes people want to start a new profile anyway? What is the point? Obviously, it wastes much more server space by creating new accounts.

In terms of spar, if a new player with 0-0 spars, they have a non-recognizable rating. So, when someone spars on their non-VIP account, if you lose to them your score drops a ridiculous amount. I have talked to many people who agree with me. Why should I lose 150+ points to someone with 0-0 record, but clearly has played graal for years? Unfair, unclear, not well planned out.

Bubble · 10-18-2011

Posted by Shannon

In terms of spar, if a new player with 0-0 spars, they have a non-recognizable rating. So, when someone spars on their non-VIP account, if you lose to them your score drops a ridiculous amount. I have talked to many people who agree with me. Why should I lose 150+ points to someone with 0-0 record, but clearly has played graal for years? Unfair, unclear, not well planned out.

So that's why people on the leaderboards have a 7000 spar rating and no wins?

comet graal · 10-18-2011

heres a nontechnical point of view.
it may seem rediculous to people like us who have VIP and love it.
but there are people who have personal reasons and dont want it, what seems like a great idea to us, may seem like a bad idea to them, we see it as a way to boost points, they see it as a way to keep their account on one device.

Winter · 10-18-2011

Posted by Bubble

So that's why people on the leaderboards have a 7000 spar rating and no wins?

Yes.

Posted by comet graal

heres a nontechnical point of view.
it may seem rediculous to people like us who have VIP and love it.
but there are people who have personal reasons and dont want it, what seems like a great idea to us, may seem like a bad idea to them, we see it as a way to boost points, they see it as a way to keep their account on one device.

Fact is, they can't see it as keeping their account on one device. Because if they wanted to stay on one device, why buy VIP in the first place? And if they did buy it, they have two accounts on one device!

comet graal · 10-19-2011

because they wanted the VIP items and wanted to use facebook server duh -.-'

Comyt · 10-20-2011

shannon stop making fun of me!
why i do it: i am still using an extremely slow 2nd generation ipod touch and i find the account with nothing on it to be a lot faster than the account loaded with stuff.

Rexx · 10-20-2011

Posted by Comyt

shannon stop making fun of me!
why i do it: i am still using an extremely slow 2nd generation ipod touch and i find the account with nothing on it to be a lot faster than the account loaded with stuff.

Are you always the one who uses the female "noob" head and spars at night?

Comyt · 10-20-2011

Posted by Rexx

Are you always the one who uses the female "noob" head and spars at night?

um no, i dont use girl heads, just the first head on the list

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Winter & Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: napping Posts: 1,381	What is the Point of Non-VIP? What is the point of having the option to not use VIP? 100% of anyone who uses it either hides, boosts, or uses it to get points easy. There is no real reason! It bugs me to spar Player every other match and lose points when i lose because Player clearly has experience, but has a 0-0 score! It shouldn't be making a VIP account, you should upgrade to VIP. When you run out of VIP, and you can no longer share the account on multiple devices, you have to log into VIP anyway! Can someone explain this from a logical view?

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Higbey Not Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Hell Posts: 4,885	Your saying make it so you need to use VIP and if you can't you can't play? Basically making this semi subscription a real subscription?

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Yephenpeace Love to all Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 1,406	I'm not sure, but odds are at least one person does this, maybe someone shares an iPod with someone and wants to switch between accounts? Originally the game didn't have a log in and could simply be turned on. So, why would they remove something the game originally had? Also, i see no problem with second accounts. Last edited by Yephenpeace; 10-18-2011 at 01:35 AM. Reason: Speeeellig errers

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fp4 maymay ambassador Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,508	From a technical point-of-view (seen the scripts) VIP system appears to be something Stefan hacked together. Spar stats may not be transferring correctly between the two.

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LUKEEE Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 126	if sparring experienced non-VIPs are exactly like sparring experienced VIPs then why you having a teary?

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comet graal I beat graal. Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 227	heres a nontechnical point of view. it may seem rediculous to people like us who have VIP and love it. but there are people who have personal reasons and dont want it, what seems like a great idea to us, may seem like a bad idea to them, we see it as a way to boost points, they see it as a way to keep their account on one device.

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comet graal I beat graal. Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 227	because they wanted the VIP items and wanted to use facebook server duh -.-'

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Comyt Emperor Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New York Posts: 1,000	shannon stop making fun of me! why i do it: i am still using an extremely slow 2nd generation ipod touch and i find the account with nothing on it to be a lot faster than the account loaded with stuff.