First off, this is not the same thread as the one that has the title, "I challenge anyone to prove that god is or isn't real". That thread is based on the concept of questioning religion, this thread is based on the concept of questioning the scientific process.

I want to get it out there that this is not a thread where we debate about religion for pages upon pages, this is designed to be a thread that simply debates about how the scientific theories that we use today work. There should be no pseudoscience in this thread. I bet we all can learn a lot from each other if we can keep up a rational, formal debate!

Anyways, I am very bored at this point in my Christmas break, and I want somebody to try to prove that the current scientific theories are not a reliable way to explain how we got here today. In that sense, I want somebody to come up with the most legitimate argument they can against widely accepted theories such as the big bang, natural selection/evolution, and the like.

Every time someone tries to disprove these theories to me they always come up with extremely simple pseudoscience answers that have been said over and over again, such as "Evolution does not follow the law of thermodynamics, How could something come from nothing in the big bang, the theory of gravity requires as much faith as god"

Could someone please try to form a more legitimate argument? I'm down to debate with you! (If you want to know the answers to the questions I already stated, I will be glad to explain them in depth.)  

Ask Bill O'Reilly.  

Posted by MythZ

Ask Bill O'Reilly.

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Well, as for The Big Bang, and im not implying im religious or that a God/deity being had set it off, but the fact is that something cannot be made from nothing. The Big Bang could not just have happened. I cant even comprehend the thought of one moment there is nothing, next moment this big bang has happened. Those theories are only accepted because they are the theories that sound the least craziest.  

Posted by Reece

Well, as for The Big Bang, and im not implying im religious or that a God/deity being had set it off, but the fact is that something cannot be made from nothing. The Big Bang could not just have happened. I cant even comprehend the thought of one moment there is nothing, next moment this big bang has happened. Those theories are only accepted because they are the theories that sound the least craziest.

Well, the big bang theory suggests it occurred as the result of a matter-antimatter reaction. All the mass in the universe is the reminense of the chaotic event.

Although, this still does not answer the question of where the antimatter and matter originated.  

Posted by Reece

Well, as for The Big Bang, and im not implying im religious or that a God/deity being had set it off, but the fact is that something cannot be made from nothing. The Big Bang could not just have happened. I cant even comprehend the thought of one moment there is nothing, next moment this big bang has happened. Those theories are only accepted because they are the theories that sound the least craziest.

These theories are accepted because they absolutely make perfect sense if you understand -just a little bit- of how they actually work and there is plenty of observable evidence to support them.

The Big Bang occurred 13.7 billion years ago. At its first point it was compacted into what we call a singularity. Which is a point of zero volume, but very high mass, which makes the density infinite. There was not yet any matter. However, there was a lot of energy in the form of radiation. (We know singularities exist, because we have mathematical proof they lie in the center of black holes). All that causes the Universe’s expansion is the total amount of its energy density. Radiation — things like light — not only dilute like matter does, it gets redshifted, which means its energy density drops faster than matter does. We know that energy can be converted into matter, and that is exactly what happened when radiation started producing matter just moments after the big bang. As the Universe cooled, matter became more important, and dominated the expansion rate for billions of years. If you want to know how things like atoms such as hydrogen were created and where the stars came from, I can explain it to you but that is besides my current point: The energy density of the Universe is, in other words, the total amount of matter, radiation, neutrinos, and all other forms of energy in the entire Universe divided by the Universe’s volume. And that equation is all that determines the rate of the universe's expansion.


As for what happened before the singularity, Think of the universe as a giant balloon with billions of dots on it. The material that makes up the balloon is "Spacetime", which we know for a fact makes up the entire universe. Space and time are directly related. The big bang is the theory that explains how the balloon, or the universe, expanded from a singularity. So, because of the nature of space time, the closer we get to the point where the universe (or the balloon) was a singularity, the more time slows down. At point of when it was a singularity, time is infinitely slow, or basically non existent. Now, let me ask you, how can there be a point before the big bang if there is no time, or space time for that matter?

Posted by Xavier

Well, the big bang theory suggests it occurred as the result of a matter-antimatter reaction. All the mass in the universe is the reminense of the chaotic event.

Although, this still does not answer the question of where the antimatter and matter originated.

I'm not sure where you got the antimatter collision from, because that has nothing to do with the expansion of space time itself. Just how matter got here.  

everybody knows that Brian and Stewie created that Big Bang.  

Isn't the big bang that one show that no one on Reddit likes?  

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The Big Bang was caused by the Bill O'Reily, once agian before u ask the Wizard of Oz where he gets his donuts you need to beg him not to DO IT LIVE!  

I keep seeing these comparisons between a balloon and the universe on every documentary I watch.  

What came first the chicken or the egg? Is that a theory?
I think bears came first coz we sexy like egg nog.  

Posted by Pimpsy G.

how can there be a point before the big bang if there is no time, or space time for that matter?

There are theories out there that answer your question. You just have to look for them.

My spin (whether it is pulled from a memory of a fragment of a theory), is that everything in existence is based off of cycles. This is how the singularity came to be and will be once more. I think a theory states that if there is a limit to the spacetime expansion, then space itself will reverse and collapse under its own "gravity."

To me, I see the universe to be like our sun. It will start to die and expand as a red giant until its mass is completely unstable. Then at some point it will go supernova, loosing all of its mass, creating a blackhole (a metaphoric singularity).

To me, if the Big Bang Theory is right, the Universe as a whole has its own gravitational center that will bring all the energy and mass back to the center. If another theory is right, we may just expand into eternity, but I personally don't believe that. I believe in cycles.  

if you dont believe in God than **** you  

Posted by MythZ

if you dont believe in God than **** you

What if I believe in Ra or Atun?