Posted by Shock

I get the point of the quote, but the physics say the bullet kills, not the gun or the person.

The human causes the bullet. Without a person, would the bullet come out of the fun and kill? Nope. And guns wouldn't exist without us anyway. We created the whole problem of guns, we shouldn't make excuses and blame other things.  

only two months ago my best friend was killed in a gun accident, I personally think guns should be more controlled, but in the view of a hunter or sport shooter I would be upset.  

Posted by Kiwi

The human causes the bullet. Without a person, would the bullet come out of the fun and kill? Nope. And guns wouldn't exist without us anyway. We created the whole problem of guns, we shouldn't make excuses and blame other things.

Aside from the meaning of the saying, the physical damage is dealt by the bullet. The person has the intent and the execution of the action, but they aren't directly damaging anything. The bullet is the small surface area traveling at high speeds that creates bullet wounds.

Just call it my literal interpretation. I've been told it's annoying, but I don't care. It's just who I am.  

Posted by Shock

Aside from the meaning of the saying, the physical damage is dealt by the bullet. The person has the intent and the execution of the action, but they aren't directly damaging anything. The bullet is the small surface area traveling at high speeds that creates bullet wounds.

Just call it my literal interpretation. I've been told it's annoying, but I don't care. It's just who I am.

I don't find you annoying? Never have. I've only read your posts though.

But I don't think it matters whether the person directly did it or not. They caused it. That's what should matter. You don't see courts getting the gun and the bullet out of the body and throwing them in a jail cell.  

Posted by Rexx

I dont understand your logic.
Nobody was there to save those 27 kindergarten children from getting blown away, if guns were banned that man wouldve never had those guns to commit the massacre.

What if the teachers, or the principle had been carrying a fire arm? If a teacher had a gun when he shot his way through the window, they could've shot that man so full of holes before he could climb through the window. Of course crime rates would probably go down if the second amendment were to be removed, but sick people would still find another way to kill if they wanted to. On the same day of the shooting a man in China killed the same amount of people WITH A KNIFE.  

Posted by ArtaXerXes

What if the teachers, or the principle had been carrying a fire arm? If a teacher had a gun when he shot his way through the window, they could've shot that man so full of holes before he could climb through the window. Of course crime rates would probably go down if the second amendment were to be removed, but sick people would still find another way to kill if they wanted to. On the same day of the shooting a man in China killed the same amount of people WITH A KNIFE.

Honestly can't tell if you're trolling or not. The solution isn't to give everyone guns to protect themselves.

By the way, the Chinese school stabbing injured 22, and killed none.  

Posted by Kiwi

I don't find you annoying? Never have. I've only read your posts though.

But I don't think it matters whether the person directly did it or not. They caused it. That's what should matter. You don't see courts getting the gun and the bullet out of the body and throwing them in a jail cell.

Well, I guess both are to blame. Person + Bullet.  

Lets murder the murderers before they murder us!  

Posted by Imprint

Lets murder the murderers before they murder us!

Wars in a nutshell.  

Posted by Kiwi

I like the way it is in New Zealand. You need a license. It doesn't stop stuff completely, but it still makes it less common. It means you have to be a certain type of person to have a gun. It's also illegal to use one within 20 meters of a town or house or infrastructure or whatever it is.

I'm not entirely sure. I can't say I've followed gun laws closely. But I do think they should be controlled, and the people that use them, and I do think that using your guns to murder people is a bad idea. They should be used for defense in a zombie apocalypse, for recreational hunting (in legal areas, obviously), and if you're in a shooting club or something, maybe that, in my opinion

So if someone broke into your house and you shot them in self defense you would be arrested in New Zealand?

Posted by ArtaXerXes

What if the teachers, or the principle had been carrying a fire arm? If a teacher had a gun when he shot his way through the window, they could've shot that man so full of holes before he could climb through the window. Of course crime rates would probably go down if the second amendment were to be removed, but sick people would still find another way to kill if they wanted to. On the same day of the shooting a man in China killed the same amount of people WITH A KNIFE.

So you think there should guns in the same place where hundreds or thousands of kids go everyday? What if a teacher just left their gun sittin on their desk and someone decided to pick it up?
Too many liability issues.  

Posted by Rexx

So if someone broke into your house and you shot them in self defense you would be arrested in New Zealand?.

Oh, no. You have the right to defend yourself in a life threatening situation.  

I know how to make Illinois a safer place! Roll tanks in the gang infested south side of Illinois. Those guys will piss their pants and commit suicide.  

Theres a lot of things they can do but Americans are always quick to cry about their rights blah blah freedom of this and freedom of that rights rights. What they need to do is put harder restriction to qualify for a gun permit. They also need to make harsher punishments for people that get caught with illegal guns. But none of this will ever happen the American government pampers their citizens to much.