Posted by failure

I believe snake means "Just change health, if you double damage with double health, then nothing really changes"

This ^

If you close the gap between guns using your system, you're still going to have BAR's spamming at you in narrow rooms, killing you in almost the same time, still leaving you complaining they are overpowered  

Posted by SnakeRekon

This ^

If you close the gap between guns using your system, you're still going to have BAR's spamming at you in narrow rooms, killing you in almost the same time, still leaving you complaining they are overpowered

This is basically a question actually, don't know if this has been asked before or how it was approached if it was brought up, but doing a PK system kind of like on PC Era but with some differences.

What I had in mind was every <#> amount of kills gives you points that can be then spent in one way. That way would be upgrading your max HP. It would create differences in everyone's HP but it would benefit to those who actually play, not those who just spend money on the game.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

This ^

If you close the gap between guns using your system, you're still going to have BAR's spamming at you in narrow rooms, killing you in almost the same time, still leaving you complaining they are overpowered

Omfg its a LMG, its SUPPOST to spam. Spam is not OP if anything its overratted. Spammers are extenly easy to beat if you know how to. My system would give a extra opertunity to strike unlike now. That 1 extra shot is the difference between a kill and death. Bars in narrow halls are terrible due to their inaccuracy.  

Posted by Graal943

This is basically a question actually, don't know if this has been asked before or how it was approached if it was brought up, but doing a PK system kind of like on PC Era but with some differences.

What I had in mind was every <#> amount of kills gives you points that can be then spent in one way. That way would be upgrading your max HP. It would create differences in everyone's HP but it would benefit to those who actually play, not those who just spend money on the game.

No, because if you have a bar or pbp kills are acquired easily; so the "good" (and often unskilled) pkers would only get better and better. This would broaden the gap even more.  

Posted by SnakeRekon

If a hp increase happened, why would you scale gun damage? That just makes the problem exactly the same o.o

Not necessarily. It allows for finer tuning with numbers, especially damage. For example, if players have 50 HP, there isn't much room for number tweaking - the numbers you can really use (and are used) are 7, 8, 9, and 10. If players were given an increase to, say 5000 HP, and guns were scaled accordingly (700, 8000, 900, 1000) you now have room for tweaking numbers. Instead of 100 damage on the BAR it can be moved down to something like 960 or 965 damage without having to use a decimal.

Just an observation.

Posted by romario786

A big NO!

Close this thread it will only start flame, plus it's unfair to the people me who got BAR, PBP And shoizen as they paid a lot...

And no this guns are not OP it all depends on the wielder, I myself owned shoizen, bar and pbp with a tec9 in spars..


Kid, practise on your skills then complain :/ anyone who is good at using guns can own any of this weapons you mentioned.

Fix't

+ What the **** is a Shoizen  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Omfg its a LMG, its SUPPOST to spam. Spam is not OP if anything its overratted. Spammers are extenly easy to beat if you know how to. My system would give a extra opertunity to strike unlike now. That 1 extra shot is the difference between a kill and death. Bars in narrow halls are terrible due to their inaccuracy.

The system you keep referring to would most probably have the same problems that we face now.  

*Souizen xD

And he doesn't have a BAR or Souzien JUST FOR THE REFERENCE. @Talon

Hmmm, this problem is tough to solve considering it'll upset A LOT of people. If nothing is done, the people who demand the PK/Spar system to be reliant on skill rather then spam will be mad yet if those guns are nerfed, the people who acquire all the Bars/Souziens/PBP's will mad. They really should've thought about this AT THE START of releasing guns rather than after releasing them and realising they're over powered (which almost every time on every gun has happened).

I would say, the PBP should be kept the same as it was already nerfed before and as it is the most expensive shotgun, it should have the right effect of its price. Souzien is honestly fine in my opinion. Yes, it does spam BUT with a clip size of JUST 12 and a deathly LONG reload, it is easily beatable. I would honestly prefer using my Sten/M4 rather than my Souzein (in PK ONLY) as Souzeins slow reload and small clip easily results in a loss of 15-25 damage if on a 1vs1 combat. Just for the information, I have most guns (apart from Shipka) so I HAVE played and been in combat with them

Okay, now to the BAR. This, is a problem. The BAR is an insanely over powered gun which can be used effectively by mostly ANYONE who can spam it right. It's fast rapid fire, huge clip size and hardly noticeable reload is totally uncontrollable (at times if on the right person) in spar, and in bases. With that being said, honestly, it is extremely unfair to the people who spent the cash on the BAR and it sucks EVEN MORE for a small minority (including a few of my friends) who have actually dug for shells, did car missions (etc) day after day and it'd really be unfair for them. I think, the best way to nerf it would be to make the clip smaller to something like 16. Changing the damage, would never be done so that's really the only option to make its bit less over powered.

The alternative to totally make Era reliant on skill (my favourite) would be to totally REMOVE the BAR from Era, but that's not ever going to happen since Stefan would never allow it.

 

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

you sir are ******ed *slaps romario with a fish* You clearly dont want them nerfed because then you will suck ass

Read my post again, I only use tec9 and AC. So read people's post clearly before calling people names, plus it takes 1 ****** to notice another..  

Posted by romario786

Read my post again, I only use tec9 and AC. So read people's post clearly before calling people names, plus it takes 1 ******ed to notice another..

Factually incorrect and should be 1 ****** not 1 ******ed.  

Posted by lord greg

Factually incorrect and should be 1 ****** not 1 ******ed.

Oh thanks for the correction!

*******  

Posted by lord greg

The system you keep referring to would most probably have the same problems that we face now.

No it wouldnt. My system would allow to keep the weapons the way they are. If all the weapons had the same rof and different damage pking would beone EXTREMLEY BORING. the rof on guns are fine.

Posted by romario786

Read my post again, I only use tec9 and AC. So read people's post clearly before calling people names, plus it takes 1 ****** to notice another..

Maybe in spar but in bases i c u spam dat pbp  

Posted by Zero02

You know is funny, in PC Era, I can beat the best player with just a simple mk47 when they have a minigun or a Sten. Why can't I do that on iEra?

Faster movement speed-- the thing I've been trying to push on iEra since October. I got them to increase it slightly, but it's still not enough to cause a real impact.

Dodging skill carries more weight on the fight. Gun damage and fire rate aren't as big an issue if you can weave through the bullets. Players skilled at bullet dodging win, regardless of the gun used.
As it should be.

I'd really rather the focus be on fixing the walk speed than nerfing guns such as the BAR.

Posted by Jester Lapse

I have been saying era needs a HP and speed buff for a while. 100 HP and a bit faster walking speed. This would enable more room for balancing and the ability to introduce some more powerful weapons in the mix.

100% Correct.

This walk speed would only need to be about 0.72 to be perfect-- PC Era(1.12) is too fast for iPod.
(iEra Default walk speed is currently 0.60, and the gym walk speed is at 0.687)  

BAR isn't even OP.. You guys act like putting a BAR in noob hands makes them good,not true. I beat bars all the time in spar/base etc with other guns.

It's funny because a majority of the complainers don't have any of the guns and most likely are bad. lel

also i lost my shoziann bcuz i transfered and it didnt go thru so plz transfer it back  

Posted by Billy

BAR isn't even OP.. You guys act like putting a BAR in noob hands makes them good,not true. I beat bars all the time in spar/base etc with other guns.

The flash beats you in a race, it will be fair because putting his powers into someone's body will not neccecarily make them good at running.

Flash isnt even OP.  

NO

Posted by SnakeRekon

Better to scale stats such as health and speed better than to change the gun stats now ~

Just do this^

Posted by Jester Lapse

I have been saying era needs a HP and speed buff for a while. 100 HP and a bit faster walking speed. This would enable more room for balancing and the ability to introduce some more powerful weapons in the mix.

And this ^