Posted by Reece

I thought of a concept for this... a man is trying to become world famous from his job, he might be an actor or whatever.. he has friends, family, loved ones etc. This feat actually happens and he becomes world famous, everybody knows him, loves him etc. but does he still not deserve the privacy or to keep what he has with friends just because he has become famous? (I think this concept works... )

this doesnt apply to what im talking about. im talking about abuse of powers and the advantage an admin has, owning a gang and basing competitively, over those other non-admin gangs.

if admins are allowed to own gangs, fine. but there is NO REASON at all, they should be allowed to be on both accounts (admin and non-admin) at same time and no reason any admin should be allowed to be in a gang (ANY GANG) WHILE ON an admin account.

make that illegal, boom, no abuse.  

I agree with this in a way, sure I'm all for a social owner or just to have fun but competitive leaves room for the temptation which was done so by celestial in the past while fighting them.

Another admin vouching for another referring to John may not always be looked toward as true, due to the lack of credibility in the past with administration. The general population can decide this without motivation from you.  

I don't think this is an issue of staff owning guilds. I think the issue here is when staff abuse their powers to help them take towers. That's obviously not right, and should be frowned upon. Report the staff members who do this. Email [email protected] with the subject "Staff Abuse - (person's name here)," and provide as much information as possible.

Them being "too popular" is a silly argument though. When they aren't working, they deserve the same rights as a normal player. Especially since they help the server for free.  

Posted by Ventus277

I agree with this in a way, sure I'm all for a social owner or just to have fun but competitive leaves room for the temptation which was done so by celestial in the past while fighting them.

Another admin vouching for another referring to John may not always be looked toward as true, due to the lack of credibility in the past with administration. The general population can decide this without motivation from you.

Didn't really get what you mean... :[  

Posted by Yephenpeace

I don't think this is an issue of staff owning guilds. I think the issue here is when staff abuse their powers to help them take towers. That's obviously not right, and should be frowned upon. Report the staff members who do this. Email [email protected] with the subject "Staff Abuse - (person's name here)," and provide as much information as possible.

Them being "too popular" is a silly argument though. When they aren't working, they deserve the same rights as a normal player. Especially since they help the server for free.

thats all well and good, just dont be on both accounts at same time, and prevent admins from being allowed on ANY GANG TAG while on admin account, and then they cant abuse powers (well they still can, but hopefully this would lessen it).  

Posted by K!LLA KEV

thats all well and good, just dont be on both accounts at same time.

I don't see anything wrong being online on both accs...
Some people have three accounts which are online on them at the same time.  

Posted by Johnaudi

I don't see anything wrong being online on both accs...
Some people have three accounts which are online on them at the same time.

tell me why you would need to be on both at same time, especially if your basing at the same time.

i can tell you one reason...  

Posted by K!LLA KEV

i can tell you one reason...

go for it.  

Posted by Johnaudi

go for it.

Posted by K!LLA KEV

well just being logged on an "admin" account, for example, you can hide yourself in a base , invisible to all, and then use your say...iphone account, and base with that, while being logged into your admin account hidden. you can drag people away, you can scout and spy on other gangs inside bases, you can jail people or warn people for no apparent reason, using your admin account, while still using your iphone account to base.

if you dont think someone who owns and run a top 5 basing gang or bases competitively wouldnt use that to their advantage, well then your just crazy and naive.

thats the only reason i can think of, atleast only reason why you would be on both accounts, WHILE basing. so it doesnt "appear" you are even there, as your admin account to prevent accusations of abuse.

John, you dont base competitively, and when you do, its for a very short period of time. Now, an admin who does base competitively, this is too much potential for abuse.  

Posted by K!LLA KEV

thats the only reason i can think of, atleast only reason why you would be on both accounts, WHILE basing. so it doesnt "appear" you are even there, as your admin account to prevent accusations of abuse.

I don't think any staff member does that, if so, contact Auron or snk for this kind of stuff.  

Posted by Johnaudi

I don't think any staff member does that, if so, contact Auron or snk for this kind of stuff.

LOL. admins will stick together. =) get real dude.

and they have been contacted, multiple times.

problem is, as admins, its easier for you to get away with this sh!t, ESPECIALLY if you are doing what I explained. I know what goes on, most dont or arent even aware of it.

I saw it everyday in sK, gimme a break dude.  

Posted by K!LLA KEV

LOL. admins will stick together. =)

and they have been contacted, multiple times.

No, they take those stuff very seriously.  

Posted by Johnaudi

No, they take those stuff very seriously.

Posted by K!LLA KEV

problem is, as admins, its easier for you to get away with this sh!t, ESPECIALLY if you are doing what I explained. I know what goes on, most dont or arent even aware of it.

I saw it everyday in sK, gimme a break dude.

I know admins who take basing even more "seriously".  

Posted by 99%

It's a mixed debate.

I personally am ashamed of what sK and Hearts have come to when you two fought. She's resorted to abusing her warp powers to get her and her members into the flag room. It just ruins the whole concept and is absolutely despicable. When reported to Auron or snk they don't even reply.

Also Pixel Ravenix abuses his powers to help his gang dig. They'll go to a popular digging spot, and he'll warp away anyone who comes near. His excuse when caught was "the PKers are annoying"...

Any cases of staff abuse (in the PR team, so in this case, Hearts)should be referred to either Reno, Vendhin, Street, Kane, or myself. Auron can investigate and at the worst, remove people in other departments if that's where your issue lies. Can i get a date on when Hearts was doing this? I'm not surprised at the slightest to be perfectly honest.
Pixel Ravenix was removed early last month for other reasons.

OT: If it's just an Admin basing on his iOS with no influence of his/her staff account then I don't see why not. I spend a lot of time on my iPod account as my PC isn't available to me at that point in time. If it's having both iOS and staff accounts online while basing then yes, that is a problem and it actually goes against PR guidelines. They clearly state that "Your staff tag is not to be abused in a base, doing so will involve a removal from the team", obviously, if this is happening, refer to the paragraph above.  

Posted by K!LLA KEV

problem is, as admins, its easier for you to get away with this sh!t, ESPECIALLY if you are doing what I explained. I know what goes on, most dont or arent even aware of it.

if you have contacted them, then yes, they are aware.
Back on topic : I still see no reason of why a staff would not be owning a gang.
//Edit : forgot the 'not'