Best iDevice Sparrer - 6

Yami · 03-01-2013

me **** you all

*Vatec · 03-01-2013

Posted by Xenthic

Instead of spamming **** in the classic forums can't you just stay with zones forums? Wasting your time here won't improve Zone douche.

I'm not allowed to post in the classic forums lol? I'm not wasting my time, I don't spend my entire life developing for Zone.

Thallen · 03-01-2013

I know from past experience that arguing on this subject isn't exactly very fulfilling or progressive. If you're able to find some sort of enjoyment from it then have fun, otherwise good luck.

GotenGraal · 03-01-2013

Lol Vatec private messaged me calling me an idiot

Remorse · 03-01-2013

Posted by *Vatec

I'm not allowed to post in the classic forums lol? I'm not wasting my time, I don't spend my entire life developing for Zone.

well, the way youre presenting yourself on this thread seems rather immature since the title you currently have is another way of representing iZone staff

On topic - Kentaro is one of the best sparrers even though he delays a lil

Aaron · 03-01-2013

Posted by Remorse

well, the way youre presenting yourself on this thread seems rather immature since the title you currently have is another way of representing iZone staff

Sure as hell thought maturity was a requirement.

Posted by *Vatec

/openthreadsoicanwatchmoreidiotstrytoberight

lel....just lel

GOAT · 03-01-2013

Sending a pvt msg during a thread argument equals automatic lost.

*Vatec · 03-02-2013

Posted by GOAT

Sending a pvt msg during a thread argument equals automatic lost.

I won this argument a long time ago.

twilit · 03-02-2013

ok so iClassic players flaming to eachother over whos better, thats ridiculous enough and got boring a long time ago. and now we have players from the inferior server jumping all over this. Why do Zone & Era people have to snoop through classic forums? I dont go through yours.

and who cares who is better than who? there is no such thing as an absolute "best". who cares about the scientific theory of lag? i see my sword go through you but you arent hurt; if thats not lag, then what do you want to call that BS?

Aaron · 03-02-2013

Posted by *Vatec

I won this argument a long time ago.

/facethroughdesk

WizaRD · 03-02-2013

no offence, but you really suck, especially for calling you 'The wizard' what a dumb name.

*Vatec · 03-02-2013

Posted by twilit

ok so iClassic players flaming to eachother over whos better, thats ridiculous enough and got boring a long time ago. and now we have players from the inferior server jumping all over this. Why do Zone & Era people have to snoop through classic forums? I dont go through yours.

and who cares who is better than who? there is no such thing as an absolute "best". who cares about the scientific theory of lag? i see my sword go through you but you arent hurt; if thats not lag, then what do you want to call that BS?

So just because I am a Zone developer doesn't mean I play Classic, cool story bro.

Posted by Aaron - Taevin

/facethroughdesk

ez

Rezon · 03-02-2013

Let me explain this "hes going through my swords" dilemma once more. First, lets start off by saying Player A has 300ms, while player B has 50.

Player A is wall sparring, he is sending out swings randomly (since you're probably warping on his screen too) and he isn't hitting anything on HIS SCREEN. Player B is frantically trying to hit him too, running towards him but seemingly getting hit every time he charges in. Once he gets close enough, he swings, but player A walks right through it. Why is this?

When player A swings, since he is at 300 ms, the server receives this data significantly late, then regurgitates it back at player B. If player B gets hit by the sword hit, player A did NOT just swing in real time, in fact that was probably 1-2 seconds ago. If player A seemingly swings at player B and it goes right through him, that's because player B receives the data far too late and his character is most likely far away from that spot. Also, player A may be swinging directly at player B, but because of his delay, none of the hits register in real time, similar to the other case.

Solution: You learn to adjust to their delay, and predict a few seconds ahead on where they're going to move. Its quite easy to predict where someone is going to go when they have that much delay, they won't be able to see where you're striking, vice versa. Both parties have disadvantages, however the delayer might have a slight advantage because Player B might be more focused on crying and complaining, rather than adjusting.

This is an extreme case, as many delayers don't do this intentionally, rather live far away from the servers. The largest ping gap I can think of would be someone at ~200.

tl;dr You're getting hit not because of the delayers lag, but because the serer is regurgitating it too late. You are not missing the delayer, rather the server is.

P.S.Delayers may survive until the end of a guildspar because most have to react to their lag by playing a more passive strategy of spar, allowing them to surivive longer.

Crag · 03-02-2013

Mizuo is really good; not the best but he's making his way.

Rezon · 03-02-2013

Posted by Crag

Mizuo is really good; not the best but he's making his way.

I've sparred Mizuo multiple times and his strategy and overall feel seems very stagnant and repetitious. He's very mediocre at what he does, and any good sparrer who is able to recognize his pattern will beat him easily.

Poll Results: Who is the best iDevice sparrer?
0%	Blood
21.95%	Comyt
0%	Hmong
7.32%	iJesus69
4.88%	Kentaro
19.51%	Kevin91
2.44%	Kouji
9.76%	NiTe
0%	Qes
2.44%	Tae
2.44%	Vlad
2.44%	Yui
26.83%	Other (say who)
Voters: 41. You may not vote on this poll

03-01-2013	76
Yami Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Babord Police Department Posts: 739	me **** you all

03-01-2013	78
Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	I know from past experience that arguing on this subject isn't exactly very fulfilling or progressive. If you're able to find some sort of enjoyment from it then have fun, otherwise good luck.

03-01-2013	79
GotenGraal helo utub Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 1,225	Lol Vatec private messaged me calling me an idiot

03-01-2013	82
GOAT Hyrule Knights Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: In your head 24/7 Posts: 6,348	Sending a pvt msg during a thread argument equals automatic lost.

03-02-2013	84
twilit michael Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hyrule Posts: 3,511	ok so iClassic players flaming to eachother over whos better, thats ridiculous enough and got boring a long time ago. and now we have players from the inferior server jumping all over this. Why do Zone & Era people have to snoop through classic forums? I dont go through yours. and who cares who is better than who? there is no such thing as an absolute "best". who cares about the scientific theory of lag? i see my sword go through you but you arent hurt; if thats not lag, then what do you want to call that BS?

03-02-2013	86
WizaRD Kjd Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 176	no offence, but you really suck, especially for calling you 'The wizard' what a dumb name.

03-02-2013	88
Rezon ENGUARD Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 996	Let me explain this "hes going through my swords" dilemma once more. First, lets start off by saying Player A has 300ms, while player B has 50. Player A is wall sparring, he is sending out swings randomly (since you're probably warping on his screen too) and he isn't hitting anything on HIS SCREEN. Player B is frantically trying to hit him too, running towards him but seemingly getting hit every time he charges in. Once he gets close enough, he swings, but player A walks right through it. Why is this? When player A swings, since he is at 300 ms, the server receives this data significantly late, then regurgitates it back at player B. If player B gets hit by the sword hit, player A did NOT just swing in real time, in fact that was probably 1-2 seconds ago. If player A seemingly swings at player B and it goes right through him, that's because player B receives the data far too late and his character is most likely far away from that spot. Also, player A may be swinging directly at player B, but because of his delay, none of the hits register in real time, similar to the other case. Solution: You learn to adjust to their delay, and predict a few seconds ahead on where they're going to move. Its quite easy to predict where someone is going to go when they have that much delay, they won't be able to see where you're striking, vice versa. Both parties have disadvantages, however the delayer might have a slight advantage because Player B might be more focused on crying and complaining, rather than adjusting. This is an extreme case, as many delayers don't do this intentionally, rather live far away from the servers. The largest ping gap I can think of would be someone at ~200. tl;dr You're getting hit not because of the delayers lag, but because the serer is regurgitating it too late. You are not missing the delayer, rather the server is. P.S.Delayers may survive until the end of a guildspar because most have to react to their lag by playing a more passive strategy of spar, allowing them to surivive longer.

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Crag o my Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: GH Posts: 531	Mizuo is really good; not the best but he's making his way.