The AP Rippers strength come in A. The damage and B. The Rate of fire/number of bullets fired. This buys you more time to dodge before you have to reload and can be VERY useful in a lot of situations. Personally I've always been the most comfortable with the green rifle becauses it's been such a useful and decent gun for so long now.  

better idea on the color guns. Leave the damage as is, remove tap fire on the red rifle (this is a mandatory). Increase the photon rifles clip capacity to 24. That way the red and green gun will be par with the photon, but the photon will be able to shoot for longer amounts of time giving the user more time shooting before reloading.
Another thing i forgot to mention, the red and green guns destroy the purpose of the plasma chaingun and gatling gun. I propose increase the clip size of plasma chaingun to 54 and chain gun to 30. This way as the current red rifile will beat a plasma in a head on duel thanks to damage (yes the plasma chaingun fires faster tap fire). The plasma will be givin the ability to provide 3x the amount of fire power as the red rifle before reloading. Even if the red rifle tap fire was nerfed, it would still be able to compete with the plasma chaingun thanks to the 6 damage on the red gun. I have no clue about the gatling gun, i am saving for it though.

Does that sound reasonable?  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

better idea on the color guns. Leave the damage as is, remove tap fire on the red rifle (this is a mandatory). Increase the photon rifles clip capacity to 24. That way the red and green gun will be par with the photon, but the photon will be able to shoot for longer amounts of time giving the user more time shooting before reloading.
Another thing i forgot to mention, the red and green guns destroy the purpose of the plasma chaingun and gatling gun. I propose increase the clip size of plasma chaingun to 54 and chain gun to 30. This way as the current red rifile will beat a plasma in a head on duel thanks to damage (yes the plasma chaingun fires faster tap fire). The plasma will be givin the ability to provide 3x the amount of fire power as the red rifle before reloading. Even if the red rifle tap fire was nerfed, it would still be able to compete with the plasma chaingun thanks to the 6 damage on the red gun. I have no clue about the gatling gun, i am saving for it though.

Does that sound reasonable?

Yes.
Anyone tell you, that you should be a Gun Admin?
You probably should.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Another thing i forgot to mention, the red and green guns destroy the purpose of the plasma chaingun and gatling gun. I propose increase the clip size of plasma chaingun to 54 and chain gun to 30. This way as the current red rifile will beat a plasma in a head on duel thanks to damage (yes the plasma chaingun fires faster tap fire). The plasma will be givin the ability to provide 3x the amount of fire power as the red rifle before reloading.

Having the Plasma Chaingun at 3x the amount of all of the other guns isn't the right thing to do and it won't even things out. It already has a pretty high ROF you can't give it 3x the amount of ammo. A high rate of fire and a large clip makes overpowered.  

Red rifle should do 49 damage and should do 6-376 bullets per second, ATM it's broken so my idea is best.

Does that sound reasonable?  

49 damage would kill someone in like 1 shot.
Obviously spam.

If a gun were to do that damage, it should only shoot 1 bullet, and would cost a fortune.
No.  

Posted by YipyayayMthrFkr

Red rifle should do 49 damage and should do 6-376 bullets per second, ATM it's broken so my idea is best.

Does that sound reasonable?

best idea yet.  

My best choice, would be a gun that fires EXTREMELY fast spam, but low damage. Sort of like an g36k in iEra, but shoots foton lasers.  

Posted by Nyte*

Having the Plasma Chaingun at 3x the amount of all of the other guns isn't the right thing to do and it won't even things out. It already has a pretty high ROF you can't give it 3x the amount of ammo. A high rate of fire and a large clip makes overpowered.

I would agree with you. However the guns priced at 10,000+ coupled with that is the insane blowback, and very low damage clocking in at 4. With the clip size of 16 as of now, your constantly chewing through your ammo and always reloading with the insane ROF. With this, your getting no room to miss. With the spread this gun has too, this doesn't help. With the damage of the gun being 4-5. Your clocking in at 12-10 hits before killing anyone. With a 54 clip, you don't need to worry about missing  

Guns need to have testers, and such.  

Honestly, Red Rifle, Blue Rifle and Green Rifle should all be toned down a bit as in their attackspeed, now im not screaming "NERF IT INTO THE GROUND" but as it is right now they are just a tad over the top, and need a slight fire rate reduction. They are also cheaper guns so they shouldnt simply outfire the more expensive guns, yes if the player is skilled they should be able to beat the more expensive guns otherwise not, this i think is also a issue, this game is pure "who can fire the bullets the fastest" thats the 1 who wins pretty much.
This is why it should be more like PC Zone, slower fire rates, requires MORE skill.
Yes i can say this i player pc zone for years.  

blue rifle is fine, the 12 clip and constantly reloading just kills the gun. The slower fire rates thing though, no. Sure you may be required to have more skill, but then with zones low damage guns (compared to era) the t2ks would be atrocious. This would take way too long and everyone would just run away or get in a fight with a person for way longer than they already do.  

Wait, red and green are statistically different? How so?

On I side note, I see Ghetto is playing Zone.  

Posted by null

Wait, red and green are statistically different? How so?

On I side note, I see Ghetto is playing Zone.

They were for a while but now I believe they are the same. But performance wise git is correct tapping the fire as if it was semi auto for the red rifle makes it have a drastic difference in fire rates, increasing it.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

blue rifle is fine, the 12 clip and constantly reloading just kills the gun. The slower fire rates thing though, no. Sure you may be required to have more skill, but then with zones low damage guns (compared to era) the t2ks would be atrocious. This would take way too long and everyone would just run away or get in a fight with a person for way longer than they already do.

Genuine question and a bit off topic (apologies) but do you choose not to work for a server or do you not want to be a guns admin? You genuinely sound like you know what you're talking about.