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Talon · 05-08-2014

Was it from a Bisharp, Crawdaunt, Conkeldurr or Scizor? They have ridiculously strong Knock Offs, and it hits 97.5 base power if holding an item before STAB, so even the tankiest of walls have trouble dealing with it. Bisharp's Knock Off gets about 143~ BP with STAB, and when coming off his strong 125 base attack and usually Life Orb, it hurts. Rotom-W isn't a wall per say, but a bulky support. Since Knock Off is from physical attackers, just throw a Will-O-Wisp on them and they'll be crippled for the rest of the game.

Tyler · 05-08-2014

Posted by Talon

Was it from a Bisharp, Crawdaunt, Conkeldurr or Scizor? They have ridiculously strong Knock Offs, and it hits 97.5 base power if holding an item before STAB, so even the tankiest of walls have trouble dealing with it. Bisharp's Knock Off gets about 143~ BP with STAB, and when coming off his strong 125 base attack and usually Life Orb, it hurts. Rotom-W isn't a wall per say, but a bulky support. Since Knock Off is from physical attackers, just throw a Will-O-Wisp on them and they'll be crippled for the rest of the game.

Yup, it was Conkeldurr. I need to watch out for that for now on. Wil-O-Wisp it is then. Thank you!

Talon · 05-09-2014

Yeah, every time a physical attacker that's not Fire comes on the field, Will-O-Wisp them. Cuts their physical damage in half unless they have Guts. Pretty brutal.

Tyler · 05-09-2014

I saw how popular Apricorn Ball Pokemon were becoming on this trade forum site I always use so I began to collect them. Finally mustered up about 7 of them. Today this guy was asking for 5-6IV KB Pokemon and Apricorn Ball Pokemon. So when I listed all mine he asked for all of them and I traded each one for a Shiny Kalos Bred Competitive Pokemon: Sylveon, Staraptor, Guardevoir, Politoed, Ninetales, Cloyster, and Azumarill. And earlier today I got a competitive Sneasel which I EV trained and evolved into Weavile and a Shiny Competitive Sableye (except it's Bold nature). I'm having a good trading day today.

Talon · 05-09-2014

Bold is fine too, 252 HP / 252 Def is really strong if you want it purely for destroying physical attackers, which is what I use now.

Also, I'm pleasantly surprised by SubSD Virizion. Not too many people expect it, and its CC hits harder than Breloom's Mach Punch IIRC.

If you haven't played Showdown's AAA ladder, you need to do it now. You can give any Pokemon (bar Ubers) any ability in the game, except ridiculously overpowered ones not meant to be on other Pokemon like Wonder Guard, Speed Boost, Pure Power, etc. A lot of Pokemon that were once considered suboptimal are now ridiculously strong. Giving Noivern Aerilate makes Boomburst a 273 BP move after STAB which pretty much defines the metagame right now. Dragonite with CB gets an Aerilate-boosted STAB ExtremeSpeed, Victini and Kyurem can both trash their relatively weak abilities for the weather they both thrive in. It's such a fun game.

Talon · 05-10-2014

that moment when PS matchmaking matches you against jester

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-118378450

u know it was gonna be here tho

Jester Lapse · 05-10-2014

game hax

Talon · 05-10-2014

too many hax

Nerf Sableye: ty will o wisp hax
JesterLapse: :,(
Nerf Sableye: :')
JesterLapse: game hax
JesterLapse: crying
JesterLapse: ragequit
JesterLapse left.

Tyler · 05-10-2014

Posted by Talon

Bold is fine too, 252 HP / 252 Def is really strong if you want it purely for destroying physical attackers, which is what I use now.

Also, I'm pleasantly surprised by SubSD Virizion. Not too many people expect it, and its CC hits harder than Breloom's Mach Punch IIRC.

That's good! I'm glad I got my worth out of the trade then. I'm in love with Reckless/Adamant/Choice Band Staraptor. Took out Gyrados and Togekiss in one hit. I should probably be using Choice Scarf, but I thought I'd take the risk for one battle.

Talon · 05-10-2014

Scarf Staraptor is for chumps. Band is where it's at. Fast Brave Birds go to Talonflame, that's why they work so well together. Staraptor's just there for power.

Tyler · 05-10-2014

Posted by Talon

Scarf Staraptor is for chumps. Band is where it's at. Fast Brave Birds go to Talonflame, that's why they work so well together. Staraptor's just there for power.

That's true. Staraptor outsped most of my friend's Pokemon anyways. What do you think is better? I have a Lv. 100 Jolly Dragonite w/Outrage, Fire Punch, Dragon Dance, and Earthquake. Do you think I should aim for another one with the same credentials, but instead with Extreme Speed and remove Earthquake or one with Extreme Speed and remove Fire Punch or just keep what I have?

EDIT: Also, what does Drizzle do again exactly? Remove Fire type weaknesses on Pokemon and increase Water Attacks base power?

Talon · 05-10-2014

Drizzle summons rain on switch for 5 turns, 8 with Damp Rock. The most relevant things it does is activate Swift Swim (doubles speed on Pokemon with the ability, makes for deadly sweepers in Kingdra and Kabutops), increases BP of Water moves by 50%, decreases Fire moves by 50%, activates Dry Skin (heals 1/8 HP under Rain, easy setup for Toxicroak), activates Hydration (removes status at end of turn, Rest is now OP), Thunder and Hurricane are boosted to 100% accuracy.

Unless you're building a team around Drizzle/Rain Dance, I wouldn't suggest using them. Politoed is really weak individually, and the rule of thumb for making rain teams is to have at least 3 Rain setters which limits teambuilding. But, if you're really skilled with Rain, it's by far the deadliest weather and can tear apart unprepared teams.

As for the Dragonite, I would personally try to get an Adamant Dragonite with DD/Dragon Claw/ESpeed/EQ. Jolly Dragonite isn't very optimal, since it's base speed is already low enough to the point where it doesn't miss out on any important speed ties. Run a Weakness Policy set, whenever you're hit super effectively (which is no problem to tank thanks to Multiscale), you get +2 Atk and +2 SpA. If you DD on that turn, you're at +3 Atk and +1 Spe. If there aren't any counters left on the field, it's pretty much GG. Dragon Claw over Outrage because Fairies, Steels, and surprise Talonflames and Bisharps that need to be outsped by ESpeed.

And if you want Dragonite to really shine, consider Rapid Spin or Defog support. Stealth Rock is a bitch.

Tyler · 05-10-2014

Posted by Talon

Drizzle summons rain on switch for 5 turns, 8 with Damp Rock. The most relevant things it does is activate Swift Swim (doubles speed on Pokemon with the ability, makes for deadly sweepers in Kingdra and Kabutops), increases BP of Water moves by 50%, decreases Fire moves by 50%, activates Dry Skin (heals 1/8 HP under Rain, easy setup for Toxicroak), activates Hydration (removes status at end of turn, Rest is now OP), Thunder and Hurricane are boosted to 100% accuracy.

Unless you're building a team around Drizzle/Rain Dance, I wouldn't suggest using them. Politoed is really weak individually, and the rule of thumb for making rain teams is to have at least 3 Rain setters which limits teambuilding. But, if you're really skilled with Rain, it's by far the deadliest weather and can tear apart unprepared teams.

As for the Dragonite, I would personally try to get an Adamant Dragonite with DD/Dragon Claw/ESpeed/EQ. Jolly Dragonite isn't very optimal, since it's base speed is already low enough to the point where it doesn't miss out on any important speed ties. Run a Weakness Policy set, whenever you're hit super effectively (which is no problem to tank thanks to Multiscale), you get +2 Atk and +2 SpA. If you DD on that turn, you're at +3 Atk and +1 Spe. If there aren't any counters left on the field, it's pretty much GG. Dragon Claw over Outrage because Fairies, Steels, and surprise Talonflames and Bisharps that need to be outsped by ESpeed.

And if you want Dragonite to really shine, consider Rapid Spin or Defog support. Stealth Rock is a bitch.

Wow. That helps out a lot. Yeah, I really wasn't planning a team built around rain dance/drizzle so I guess Politoed isn't going to be too useful. Adamant Dragonite huh? That does make more sense since his base speed isn't the greatest and his attack is really high. That's starting to sound a whole lot better though with the setup you suggested. What Pokemon would you suggest would be a good rapid spin/defog and is resistant to stealth rocks?

Sariss · 05-10-2014

... Scizor is pretty good at defog, especially in mega form.

Talon · 05-11-2014

Excadrill is one of the better offensive spinners. Scizor is good too, but I find that he gives up too much for Defog. He really needs Swords Dance to be close to a relevant offensive threat + BPunch and Knock Off. Defog works in the last slot, but Roost is immensely helpful since he can't run Leftovers.

Mandibuzz is one of the best Defoggers around since it's ridiculously tanky and can hit offensive mons hard with Foul Play. The Lati@s twins have fast Defogs and are solid offensive threats on their own, and also ignore Spikes. Forretress can lay hazards and spin away, and is one of the best hazard controllers in the game. Starmie's got a fast Rapid Spin and is decent offensively too.

Talonflame can Defog, but... yeah

Overall, I'd recommend Air Balloon/Lefties Excadrill for a bulky offensive spinner, defensive M.Scizor or Mandibuzz for defensive Defoggers, and the three Psychics I mentioned for fast offensive spinners. Excadrill is the only to get a resist to SR, though.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	Bold is fine too, 252 HP / 252 Def is really strong if you want it purely for destroying physical attackers, which is what I use now. Also, I'm pleasantly surprised by SubSD Virizion. Not too many people expect it, and its CC hits harder than Breloom's Mach Punch IIRC. If you haven't played Showdown's AAA ladder, you need to do it now. You can give any Pokemon (bar Ubers) any ability in the game, except ridiculously overpowered ones not meant to be on other Pokemon like Wonder Guard, Speed Boost, Pure Power, etc. A lot of Pokemon that were once considered suboptimal are now ridiculously strong. Giving Noivern Aerilate makes Boomburst a 273 BP move after STAB which pretty much defines the metagame right now. Dragonite with CB gets an Aerilate-boosted STAB ExtremeSpeed, Victini and Kyurem can both trash their relatively weak abilities for the weather they both thrive in. It's such a fun game. Last edited by Talon; 05-10-2014 at 04:25 AM.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	Was it from a Bisharp, Crawdaunt, Conkeldurr or Scizor? They have ridiculously strong Knock Offs, and it hits 97.5 base power if holding an item before STAB, so even the tankiest of walls have trouble dealing with it. Bisharp's Knock Off gets about 143~ BP with STAB, and when coming off his strong 125 base attack and usually Life Orb, it hurts. Rotom-W isn't a wall per say, but a bulky support. Since Knock Off is from physical attackers, just throw a Will-O-Wisp on them and they'll be crippled for the rest of the game.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	Yeah, every time a physical attacker that's not Fire comes on the field, Will-O-Wisp them. Cuts their physical damage in half unless they have Guts. Pretty brutal.

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Tyler Dark Desert Fox Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: United States, Ohio Posts: 5,720	I saw how popular Apricorn Ball Pokemon were becoming on this trade forum site I always use so I began to collect them. Finally mustered up about 7 of them. Today this guy was asking for 5-6IV KB Pokemon and Apricorn Ball Pokemon. So when I listed all mine he asked for all of them and I traded each one for a Shiny Kalos Bred Competitive Pokemon: Sylveon, Staraptor, Guardevoir, Politoed, Ninetales, Cloyster, and Azumarill. And earlier today I got a competitive Sneasel which I EV trained and evolved into Weavile and a Shiny Competitive Sableye (except it's Bold nature). I'm having a good trading day today.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	that moment when PS matchmaking matches you against jester http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-118378450 u know it was gonna be here tho

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Jester Lapse zzz Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: WA USA Posts: 9,232	game hax

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	too many hax Nerf Sableye: ty will o wisp hax JesterLapse: :,( Nerf Sableye: :') JesterLapse: game hax JesterLapse: crying JesterLapse: ragequit JesterLapse left.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	Scarf Staraptor is for chumps. Band is where it's at. Fast Brave Birds go to Talonflame, that's why they work so well together. Staraptor's just there for power.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	Drizzle summons rain on switch for 5 turns, 8 with Damp Rock. The most relevant things it does is activate Swift Swim (doubles speed on Pokemon with the ability, makes for deadly sweepers in Kingdra and Kabutops), increases BP of Water moves by 50%, decreases Fire moves by 50%, activates Dry Skin (heals 1/8 HP under Rain, easy setup for Toxicroak), activates Hydration (removes status at end of turn, Rest is now OP), Thunder and Hurricane are boosted to 100% accuracy. Unless you're building a team around Drizzle/Rain Dance, I wouldn't suggest using them. Politoed is really weak individually, and the rule of thumb for making rain teams is to have at least 3 Rain setters which limits teambuilding. But, if you're really skilled with Rain, it's by far the deadliest weather and can tear apart unprepared teams. As for the Dragonite, I would personally try to get an Adamant Dragonite with DD/Dragon Claw/ESpeed/EQ. Jolly Dragonite isn't very optimal, since it's base speed is already low enough to the point where it doesn't miss out on any important speed ties. Run a Weakness Policy set, whenever you're hit super effectively (which is no problem to tank thanks to Multiscale), you get +2 Atk and +2 SpA. If you DD on that turn, you're at +3 Atk and +1 Spe. If there aren't any counters left on the field, it's pretty much GG. Dragon Claw over Outrage because Fairies, Steels, and surprise Talonflames and Bisharps that need to be outsped by ESpeed. And if you want Dragonite to really shine, consider Rapid Spin or Defog support. Stealth Rock is a bitch.

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Sariss Leave no bridges unburned Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Places Posts: 1,224	... Scizor is pretty good at defog, especially in mega form.

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Talon don't call it a comeback Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 8,268	Excadrill is one of the better offensive spinners. Scizor is good too, but I find that he gives up too much for Defog. He really needs Swords Dance to be close to a relevant offensive threat + BPunch and Knock Off. Defog works in the last slot, but Roost is immensely helpful since he can't run Leftovers. Mandibuzz is one of the best Defoggers around since it's ridiculously tanky and can hit offensive mons hard with Foul Play. The Lati@s twins have fast Defogs and are solid offensive threats on their own, and also ignore Spikes. Forretress can lay hazards and spin away, and is one of the best hazard controllers in the game. Starmie's got a fast Rapid Spin and is decent offensively too. Talonflame can Defog, but... yeah Overall, I'd recommend Air Balloon/Lefties Excadrill for a bulky offensive spinner, defensive M.Scizor or Mandibuzz for defensive Defoggers, and the three Psychics I mentioned for fast offensive spinners. Excadrill is the only to get a resist to SR, though.