Towering laggers fix

Darklink · 07-16-2014

So people are always complaining about other guilds that lag when towering, and I have a quick idea to help balance it out, feel free to poke some holes in it.

I got the idea from the new(ish) fences that open and close from the horse stable, that you can set to have friends/guild only enter. The idea is to place something like that in different places in towers, so if you're lagging, you have to wait for your spike to end before you can get through. This would make it a little unfair for people with bad internet, but I think it's possible to make it fair with careful placement of them. What are your thoughts?

twilit · 07-17-2014

Soooo basically a lag cap for towers? Only if it's set pretty high. And I dont know if that would be wise with the server lag that happens on and off over the years.

kush420swagYOLO · 07-17-2014

This is would be a nice addition. It should be placed at any exit or entrance to and from an area in a tower.

Darklink · 07-17-2014

Posted by twilit

Soooo basically a lag cap for towers? Only if it's set pretty high. And I dont know if that would be wise with the server lag that happens on and off over the years.

Not quite, I don't want it like that, just to make moving throughout the tower harder for people who lag, to even the playing field

twilit · 07-18-2014

The problem with having a "gate," entrance, and exit that checks for lag is the fact that lag spikes can happen anywhere between the checkpoints. If you want to get rid of laggers in towers, then it would be better to have an auto-warp that sends laggers to the entrance of the tower.

Thallen · 07-18-2014

pretty sure that would just force them to lagblock at the entrance of those points
I don't think admins will ever add a lag cap to anything in this game

Darklink · 07-18-2014

Posted by twilit

The problem with having a "gate," entrance, and exit that checks for lag is the fact that lag spikes can happen anywhere between the checkpoints. If you want to get rid of laggers in towers, then it would be better to have an auto-warp that sends laggers to the entrance of the tower.

That's the thing, I said I don't want to get rid of them, I want to make it more balanced, having lag makes it harder for people to take your tower, this is supposed to make it more fair

Thallen · 07-20-2014

Might be going off of the original topic a little bit, but the only way I ever see something like this being responsibly implemented would be like this.

First, Graal would need information about what your expected or average ping is. One way they could do this is by logging your ping to the server over a long period of time (maybe an average of 100 series of pings over 1-2 days). At this point, they'd have a number that is a good estimation of what your average (natural) ping is.

Either that, or they could script something that geolocates your IP and assigns you a fixed "expected average ping" based on location. For US players, it'd be 140 and below; for European players, it'd be 300 and below, etc.

Then, they can set the lagcap to be something like an 80% increase to what that value is. So, if your average ping is 150 and then it spikes to 275, you are warped out.

Only under one of those two circumstances would I ever support a lag cap at spars or towers, because it'd only see you as lagging if your ping is fluctuating over what it's expected to be (not if it's over a static limit). Any other implementation is harshly discriminating against players located outside of the US.

However, this will never happen. Graal is now a mobile game and wireless connections are extremely sensitive, and it's also designed for kids and teens. It'd cause too many problems. How would you like getting warped out of towers because your sister is streaming Bieber videos every other hour? Then on top of that, there's consideration to how poor Graal's servers are when many players are online. I'm pretty sure there's just no fair and reasonable way for this to work out.

One thing I will say is that I'd much rather have a system like this responsible for DQs during the GST. I'd much rather have a scripted system capable of making no errors or misjudgments regulating the tournament rather than someone who probably doesn't even understand how lag works.

07-16-2014	1
Darklink Darklink* Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: USA Posts: 394	Towering laggers fix So people are always complaining about other guilds that lag when towering, and I have a quick idea to help balance it out, feel free to poke some holes in it. I got the idea from the new(ish) fences that open and close from the horse stable, that you can set to have friends/guild only enter. The idea is to place something like that in different places in towers, so if you're lagging, you have to wait for your spike to end before you can get through. This would make it a little unfair for people with bad internet, but I think it's possible to make it fair with careful placement of them. What are your thoughts?

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twilit michael Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hyrule Posts: 3,511	Soooo basically a lag cap for towers? Only if it's set pretty high. And I dont know if that would be wise with the server lag that happens on and off over the years.

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kush420swagYOLO EP Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 378	This is would be a nice addition. It should be placed at any exit or entrance to and from an area in a tower.

07-18-2014	5
twilit michael Join Date: May 2012 Location: Hyrule Posts: 3,511	The problem with having a "gate," entrance, and exit that checks for lag is the fact that lag spikes can happen anywhere between the checkpoints. If you want to get rid of laggers in towers, then it would be better to have an auto-warp that sends laggers to the entrance of the tower.

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	pretty sure that would just force them to lagblock at the entrance of those points I don't think admins will ever add a lag cap to anything in this game

07-20-2014	8
Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	Might be going off of the original topic a little bit, but the only way I ever see something like this being responsibly implemented would be like this. First, Graal would need information about what your expected or average ping is. One way they could do this is by logging your ping to the server over a long period of time (maybe an average of 100 series of pings over 1-2 days). At this point, they'd have a number that is a good estimation of what your average (natural) ping is. Either that, or they could script something that geolocates your IP and assigns you a fixed "expected average ping" based on location. For US players, it'd be 140 and below; for European players, it'd be 300 and below, etc. Then, they can set the lagcap to be something like an 80% increase to what that value is. So, if your average ping is 150 and then it spikes to 275, you are warped out. Only under one of those two circumstances would I ever support a lag cap at spars or towers, because it'd only see you as lagging if your ping is fluctuating over what it's expected to be (not if it's over a static limit). Any other implementation is harshly discriminating against players located outside of the US. However, this will never happen. Graal is now a mobile game and wireless connections are extremely sensitive, and it's also designed for kids and teens. It'd cause too many problems. How would you like getting warped out of towers because your sister is streaming Bieber videos every other hour? Then on top of that, there's consideration to how poor Graal's servers are when many players are online. I'm pretty sure there's just no fair and reasonable way for this to work out. One thing I will say is that I'd much rather have a system like this responsible for DQs during the GST. I'd much rather have a scripted system capable of making no errors or misjudgments regulating the tournament rather than someone who probably doesn't even understand how lag works.