The honest truth about all the great ideas that are brought up here is that for some reason almost NONE of them ever see the light of day. Some times even high staff (like rufus) would come on really good idea threads and pitch around. Even small ideas that would be easy to incorporate just never see the light of day.

I feel like making this thread not to complain, but really to compare. Old west has been enormously responsive to feedback and good ideas really have been taken and implemented. It seems to make the server grow fast and make the server happy.

The real question is why, when overwhelming players suggest a mutually agreed upon idea like "fishing", "bug leader boards", "incentives for guilds going past 1k" do they never seem to happen? Things that would enormously benefit classic- but then random updates that don't make sense come out instead.

One example is the archery range... i'm not saying it wasn't cool, but there was no player input based on that. Many other things that were commonly requested could had been developed instead of the archery range. Another example, the map reorganization and the level's being edited. The mod town makeover, the belle island ferry, AP, the roleplaying centers, koth (king of the hill), marriage, ect..... it really goes on and on.

I'm not saying staff has implemented some of their cool ideas that they created. But... it always feels random. It rarely feels based on actual popular feedback. At least, feedback based on Graalians.com. AND it is also usually seemingly controversial in nature. Why? Well KOTH changed tower taking completely and was prone to getting mixed opinions. Same thing goes with AP. Many players would be upset by having certain individuals being invincible- and dramatically changed the way people were used to PK. And then marriage and roleplaying centers... I don't even have to explain there.

Would any developers explain. It isn't an attack on staff, it just is my way of trying to understand why good ideas rarely see the light of day. I'm curious why time is spent developing things that do not have that long-lasting appeal that most of us want, and, why, why, whyyyyy are things usually controversial instead appealing to everyone. There are many ideas out there that would only introduce new content and wouldn't change content normally in the game.  

maybe it's not a matter of things not happening, but things not happening YET. Be patient, you never know what the staff could be planning.  

Posted by Drea

maybe it's not a matter of things not happening, but things not happening YET. Be patient, you never know what the staff could be planning.

I've been involved on-and-off for 4 years. You don't seem to have read the thread with as much attention as I would have hoped for.  

we should drop this server and play Ol'West!!  

Posted by Admiral

we should drop this server and play Ol'West!!

nice representation of your server, admiral.  

List some great ideas that have been posted here.  

Idk crono how about all the ideas that could add any amount of interest into playing classic, really anything would work for me, even a new RP house


They've been adding more prizes to blob but who cares it's just a lag fest they should've jaut added another boss to split the player groups up. That's another topic. Please don't quit classic i want to see this game strive I don't like the shootthegun servers. This depression bout classic hitting the dumps with content just shows how much we want better content  

Posted by Crono

List some great ideas that have been posted here.

Fishing, More guild options (temporary leadership, lock players from being able to be kicked, Interesting intractable furniture (many accounts of this), rewards for staying loyal to a guild, rewards/incentives for going past 1k guild hours (many different ideas), ALOT of UN importation suggestions, bug leader boards, night/daytime, more competitive guild activities, a revamped/fixed message system, graal lottery, DIFFERENT Gani's- instead of recolors, and a vast amount of more that i cannot think of off the top of my head.  

Posted by Kendama

Fishing, More guild options (temporary leadership, lock players from being able to be kicked, Interesting intractable furniture (many accounts of this), rewards for staying loyal to a guild, rewards/incentives for going past 1k guild hours (many different ideas), ALOT of UN importation suggestions, bug leader boards, night/daytime, more competitive guild activities, a revamped/fixed message system, graal lottery, DIFFERENT Gani's- instead of recolors, and a vast amount of more that i cannot think of off the top of my head.

What do you mean by recolours? I make ganis and i never knew it was possible to colour a gani lmao.  

Ideas that you think are easy to incorporate often aren't. At all.

"If you could just..."  

Posted by Emera

Ideas that you think are easy to incorporate often aren't. At all.

"If you could just..."

pleaase be more specific. Yuh think graal online is difficult? when they are games fiftety times graals quality. Classic gets enough money that's not a problem, we already have the technology to improve the game, this game was essentially made ten years ago. Graal online is like windows 98  

Posted by Kendama

nice representation of your server, admiral.

mfw this is a serious thread and youre being genuine  

Posted by Admiral

mfw this is a serious thread and youre being genuine

http://www.internetslang.com/MWF-meaning-definition.as
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Posted by Emera

Ideas that you think are easy to incorporate often aren't. At all.

"If you could just..."

This isn't one of those threads. There has been a billion of "those" threads. It is asking why do you guys not spend time taking on larger more-requested ideas? Instead of this, staff usually releases content that strikes many of us as "wtf where did this idea come from" and it usually is quite boring with little replay value.

Many ideas could be implemented multiple ways in the terms of coding.

Posted by Tyree

What do you mean by recolours? I make ganis and i never knew it was possible to colour a gani lmao.

I actually knew somebody would type this exact reply. You should know what I mean. Jump-rope, jump-rope, jumprope, juggle, juggle, juggle, hula hoop, hula hoop, hula hoop, pogo stick, pogo stick, pogo stick...

I was hoping whoever choose to respond to this would be able to put some thought into what I actually meant. I mean, what else would I mean by calling them recolors? What other remote possibility could I be referencing? Use some common sense. Not everyone is going to use the exact technical terms you are used to- welcome to the real world.  

Posted by Kendama

http://www.internetslang.com/MWF-meaning-definition.as
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my face when

But since it's a serious thread, i'll try and give a serious answer (though Drea has pretty much covered it)

Basically as you know staff are players too, so ofc we want the same thing, all these sort of updates but imo, there are factors that get in the way and prevent projects from being finished.

- iClassic has dug itself into a 4 year - long hole with unfinished projects, hence why all the 'unfinished' content. It remains unfinished cuz people leave, people want to do something else, the project gets delayed etc.

- The projects that do go on behind the scenes, most of the staff are completely unaware of, we can sort of guess depending on what gets asked from us but only a few know the entire picture, so anyone who says to 'ask an admin' chances are that admin may be as clueless as the player.

- Our updates are slow, but no doubt that when they are released they are of incredibly high standards. iClassic is a server of quality, not quantity.

- Hat shops and hat updates are gralat sinks to keep Unix happy while real work does get done, and ofc the Graphic staff of the server do enjoy seeing their work being used as well.

- And lastly (I think) the server is managed by people who have played Classic for longer than some Graalians have lived, they have the experience and that holds value to why they release things and delay others, while it may look good on one side of the fence it could be a complete different story on the other side.

Idk how to tl;dr this really, just my opinions both as staff and as a player.  

Posted by Admiral

my face when

But since it's a serious thread, i'll try and give a serious answer (though Drea has pretty much covered it)

Basically as you know staff are players too, so ofc we want the same thing, all these sort of updates but imo, there are factors that get in the way and prevent projects from being finished.

- iClassic has dug itself into a 4 year - long hole with unfinished projects, hence why all the 'unfinished' content. It remains unfinished cuz people leave, people want to do something else, the project gets delayed etc.

- The projects that do go on behind the scenes, most of the staff are completely unaware of, we can sort of guess depending on what gets asked from us but only a few know the entire picture, so anyone who says to 'ask an admin' chances are that admin may be as clueless as the player.

- Our updates are slow, but no doubt that when they are released they are of incredibly high standards. iClassic is a server of quality, not quantity.

- Hat shops and hat updates are gralat sinks to keep Unix happy while real work does get done, and ofc the Graphic staff of the server do enjoy seeing their work being used as well.

- And lastly (I think) the server is managed by people who have played Classic for longer than some Graalians have lived, they have the experience and that holds value to why they release things and delay others, while it may look good on one side of the fence it could be a complete different story on the other side.

Idk how to tl;dr this really, just my opinions both as staff and as a player.

Pretty good answer. Well I think staff should focus more on the requests that keep getting brought up. I have seen a lot of pointless, time-wasting, and one time updates. I think you guys should try to create more things like looting and bug catching. Those have been the only good updates I have really seen. Yorktown was pretty cool too.