Getting my shoulder tattoo tonight will post a photo of it and the room as I promised earlier,  

Posted by Blu

Pacman was making his point, at least he has the decency to put it into a laid out form with arguments and counter arguments.

Do you want a biscuit for the moments you quote/reply to what I post?  

Tattoos are cool no matter what they are if there is a story behind it you can tell, I like art with symbolism and meaning rather than just design but thats my $0.02

I know I will get one some point in my life, whether it's next year or in 10, but I can't find the one for me yet.  

Posted by Bryan*

Do you want a biscuit for the moments you quote/reply to what I post?

tf does that mean.  

Posted by Bryan*

Do you want a biscuit for the moments you quote/reply to what I post?

I do, only if it comes with gravy.  

Posted by Blu

tf does that mean.

*passes Blu one biscuit*  

Posted by pacman

*if you're a Christian the Bible speaks against it.
*as you get older that thing is going to stretch out and look gross
* it's permanent. How many times have you liked an outfit or something, then like a year later you thought it looked silly? Tattoos for ever bro unless you got a lot of money to remove it, and I hear even then it doesn't always come all the way off.
* trust a tattoo artist? You're trusting someone to put an image on you perfectly the way you want without making one mistake, because if they do, you're stuck with that!
* if you're a female wanting to travel with a tattoo, now you have to worry about where you go, because some areas will kill you for having a tattoo, it's like disrespectful to their God Allah or something. If I'm traveling I wouldn't want to have to watch my back over some silly tattoo, it's not worth it

I believe everyone is already created beautifully, and no one needs a tattoo to enhance the beauty they already have. You don't need tattoos, jewelry, or expensive clothes to demonstrate that. Let your personality and character show it.

The way you originally presented your argument made it seem like you had a very bigoted point of view.

*I can understand the christian argument, to a degree. However I think many christians do not think it is proper to follow the bible word to word. A lot of my christian friends have bible verses tattooed. How do you feel about that? If I was a christian the way I would see something like that, is that it would be keeping the word of God as a part of your body.

*Not if you properly maintain it. If you want to keep a tattoo looking good you will have to dish out a bit of money.

*Some things do follow you for your entire life.

*Well if you are going to get tattoo you should be hiring a good artist, and not some scratcher you find on the streets. Just like any other art as well-- you don't start with your final draft, if your artist has half a brain they are going to stencil it on first and then work off of that.

*If you are going to get killed for having a tattoo somewhere, that is probably not the best choice for travel in the first place, regardless of whether or not you have a tattoo.

I agree, everyone is created beautifully, and would be just fine without a tattoo. I think there are too many different circumstances to just say that you are weak or insecure for getting a tattoo.

A good friend of mine (much older than me) is thinking about getting his rank (CMSgt) in the Air Force tattooed on the back of his leg, why? Because he spent his whole life in the military, and is proud of his rank. It is something that he will have with him till the day he dies. In a circumstance like that I cannot comprehend how one could think that tattoo is a sign of insecurity.

Awhile ago I saw online someone talking about a tattoo they had, it'd take awhile to find it so I'm not gonna bother, but they worked in a job where they spend a lot of time speaking to others from foreign countries-- and so he hears a lot of foreign languages. He would get the word "love" added to his tattoo in each different language that he came across (he posted pictures and it looked really great). It was something he enjoyed and made him happy. I cannot comprehend how one could think that tattoo is a sign of insecurity.

Posted by pacman

So it's okay for you to judge a person with a tattoo on their face? But you're okay with the rest of the body being tattooed? At least I'm consistent and equally disapprove of all tattoos? To me I would thinks it's worse to pick and choose which tattoos a person has is going to get YOUR approval. I would even take it a step further and say that's worse than a person getting a tattoo.

I also agree with this.

Posted by pacman

Someone in this thread said people might get tattoos because of their culture. Lol! That proves my point. If you're doing it for your culture you're doing it because you care what people think, you care what your culture thinks. A person that makes decisions based on culture is weak minded. Would you like examples? Sure.

Nazi soldiers did what they did because of their culture. Some are still being caught and out on trial to this day. And their defense is, " hey I was just following orders, doing what everybody else was doing, bla bla bla"

How about slavery in the United States? I'm sure the slave owners thought, " hey I'm not doing anything wrong. Everybody has slaves. It's part of the culture, it's not illegal, my slave owner buddy got a tattoo, tweeddle dee tweedle dumb"

So the culture reason for getting a tattoo is a weak argument to me . IMHO I feel that it actually proves my point that it's a weakness, because the person is making decisions based on culture instead of their own free mind.

Poor examples, are you really trying to compare eugenics, genocide, human trafficking, and slavery to body modification? Furthermore nazism wasn't a part of germanic culture, it was a twisted political movement.

Also if you are going to blatantly talk about how your base reasoning for not supporting tattoos is due to your religion, maybe saying that making decisions based off of a religious culture is not the best thing to do. Just like you have a choice to follow what your religion says, so did anyone else who had tattoos for cultural reasons.

I don't think you have a clear perspective of what I meant by "cultural reasons", do you believe in God because you care what others think? No? Maybe you should try and relate your own beliefs and motives to those of others.  

Posted by MrSimons

Poor examples, are you really trying to compare eugenics, genocide, human trafficking, and slavery to body modification? Furthermore nazism wasn't a part of germanic culture, it was a twisted political movement.

Of course I'm not trying to compare eugenics, genocide, human trafficking, and slavery to body modification. The first argument made against my statement of tattoos being a sign of weakness, someone said people get tattoos for culture, as if that was a good reason to get a tattoo. My example was to show that making decisions based on culture, whether it be in regards to tattoos or anything for that matter is a bad idea, because cultures do not always make the best decisions, and I give a few examples throughout history where "culture" didn't make great decisions. So why follow culture? People should examine things for themselves and make a decision based on their own findings.

Posted by MrSimons

*If you are going to get killed for having a tattoo somewhere, that is probably not the best choice for travel in the first place, regardless of whether or not you have a tattoo.

But what if the person wants to be an archaeologist, and they're fascinated by Egyptian history? The point is, having a tattoo unfortunately can limit a person. It's sad that people make judgements based on personal appearance, but they do. The United States military also has a policy on tattoos, and if you get certain types of tattoos you might not be able to join.

When a person goes in for an interview, unfortunately they are going to judge you. It's going to be based on whats on your resume, how you speak, how you smell, and your overall appearance. I'm pretty sure, unless a person is applying to be a tattoo artist, if two people have identical resumes, and the only thing that separates the two is tattoos, with a white collar type career, the guy without the tattoo is going to get the job.

Sure tattoos may seem cool, but is it worth the hassle of possibly not getting a job? Plus, you even said yourself, a tattoo can stay looking good if a person is willing to dish out the money. So on top of the 100s you pay for the tattoo, now a person will have to pay for maintaining it? That sounds expensive, and such an unnecessary hassle.

Posted by MrSimons

many christians do not think it is proper to follow the bible word to word.

Here is a verse for those types of christians:
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Posted by MrSimons

A lot of my christian friends have bible verses tattooed. How do you feel about that?

How do I feel about it? I feel like they should repent. ;) The bible says the body is a temple of God 1 Corinthians 6:19 So, you can ask your Christian friend, would they graffiti a church?
Also, another basic Bible verse for the Christian: "'Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD.

Posted by MrSimons

Also if you are going to blatantly talk about how your base reasoning for not supporting tattoos is due to your religion, maybe saying that making decisions based off of a religious culture is not the best thing to do. Just like you have a choice to follow what your religion says, so did anyone else who had tattoos for cultural reasons.

Well, Christianity says not to be worldly, or you could say follow what the culture does. I'm not going to call the person that gets a tattoo an idiot. I have Christian friends with tattoos, and I don't sit there talking about their tattoos all day lol. But if they ask my opinion, I'm going to give it, and I respect other opinions whether I agree or disagree with them. I have a choice to follow my beliefs, and they have a choice to get a tattoo, I don't disagree with you there.

This part isn't really directed at you, I'm just speaking generally here:
My real issue is with those that call Christians bigots for standing firm in their belief. Why do I have to conform to someone else's belief that it's okay to get a tattoo or I'm automatically labeled an idiot? Why can't we just all respect different views on things?
For the person that called me an idiot, how about you go to the middle east and let them know you're gay and how it's okay, then see how understanding they'll be with you. Tell them they're idiots for disagreeing with you, and watch your head get cut off.  

I kind of pretend to believe in God to make my mother happy

I was brainwashed into believing it as a kid and I eventually learned to think for myself...
Religion is an interesting topic, but I'd rather not have people push their religions onto me as if they're the one true religion or something.

I won't deny the existence of any "gods" but I can't really say I believe things that go against proven science and logical theories. *Ahem* evolution  

Just Don't get your nose peirced ....
Thats the worst
also why did this thread get to
peircing opinions to yoda to tatoos to religion to culture
All we need now is a Random Gif  

Posted by Shadowfox

*Ahem* evolution

Evolution is a theory, not a fact.

Posted by Shadowfox

but I'd rather not have people push their religions onto me as if they're the one true religion or something.

I think Penn Jillette who is a famous atheist makes a good point in regards to your comment:

Posted by Sardon

All we need now is a Random Gif

 

I'll be getting tattoos next year when I turn 16, lots of em  

Posted by pacman

Evolution is a theory, not a fact.

Tell that to modern medicine.  

Posted by Nabu Lapse

Tell that to modern medicine.

what does medicine have to do with evolution?  

Posted by pacman

Evolution is a theory, not a fact.

A theory with overwhelming evidence to support it, yes. What's your point?