I think the problem is you're ignoring the major bugs, im sure if you pay attention you'll see all sorts of bugs flying around Graal City waiting to be caught

I think there's a guide as well for it on the forums you may wanna read  

Posted by Narcosis

Wow, your attention span is so short that you need a bunch of pretty font effects just to read something?

The opinions of people like you don't really matter to me. It should be pretty obvious why.



You clearly didn't even read the thread..

I replied that to the people that meant that classic would be a sad state.

Posted by Admiral

I think the problem is you're ignoring the major bugs, im sure if you pay attention you'll see all sorts of bugs flying around Graal City waiting to be caught

I think there's a guide as well for it on the forums you may wanna read

Of course Classic got a lot of bugs but they aren't "Game breaking" or something, it's like mc, it got many bugs aswell...  

The forum is not a place to complain about the server. Please report these issues to toonslab.

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lol  

Wow colin,i put alot of effort in writing that.  

^^^ reported for spam  

I wish moderators couldn't delete our posts.  

Zoom on the iPhone 6...  

Posted by MBK

I wish moderators couldn't delete our posts.

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you gonna get it now MBK  

Posted by Narcosis

- The Giant Blob: So, a little while back, winter ended and the spring tileset returned. Along with it, the giant blob. The server was lagging bad every time the blob spawned (given the large amount of people in the area), so rather than put in the effort to properly fix this issue, they put in a band-aid fix which basically reduced the blob's health by 9/10ths, and it now dies literally 30 seconds after it spawns. Also, AFKing in the area now warps you to an inn. Gone are the days of announcing to your guildmates that the blob has spawned, as it always dies before you have a chance to get there. This is not how the blob was ever intended to function.

What's the problem? You complain the sheer amount of players in the area contributes to lag, but complain when they're warped out for AFKing there? Players deciding to crowd areas and cause lag isn't something we can "fix" except to try to discourage players from crowding the area. The giant blob isn't the best implemented thing, in my opinion, but it is what it is and warping AFK players sounds like a decent fix to me.

Posted by Narcosis

- Bug spawn rate: With spring returning, so to did the bugs. But apparently the majority of the bugs didn't get the memo. Because the spawn rate is completely broken. I've seen one ladybug since spring started. Butterflies are a rare sight, and black beetles don't seem to have appeared at all. I know there's a number of bugs that don't show up till summer (dragonflies, grasshoppers, mantises), but the current bugs that do spawn are not spawning properly at all. And no one seems to be doing anything about it.

Why would anyone do anything about it? This is the first post I've seen about the bug spawns, and things can't be fixed if they're not known.

Posted by Narcosis

- Vases: The coding for vases was altered a little while back and they've been a complete mess ever since. Clicking on a vase in one's house will cause it to immediately break (even if a visitor clicks it, not just the owner). It's nice that the furniture vases can now be picked up, but even that is functioning oddly. There's a delay between the time in which you pick up a vase, throw it, and pick up another one. In other words you can't spam throw them like you can bushes. The vases are only producing hearts like 1/10th of the time as well. The last 2 issues (the screwed up throwing mechanic and the lack of hearts) also seems to be applied to most of regular non-furniture vases as well (but not all of them, for some reason).

Vases were apparently changed to only drop hearts occasionally, like gralats. As for the breaking it seems like an oversight, possibly.

Posted by Narcosis

This isn't everything (there's a number of smaller bugs I've noticed as well), but these are some of the biggest problems currently plaguing Classic. It's hard for me to see Classic in this state. In the past I would just post in the future improvements forum and Dusty would be on top of it. I know the current scripter(s) (is there even more than one, currently?) are doing their best, but the fact is; Dusty just did SO much. And with him gone, Classic has no one to keep everything in check. I don't blame him for leaving. It was a thankless job with no pay, and he had to constantly see people whine about the stupidest things imaginable. But Classic just deserves better than this. I mean, is anyone going to do anything about this?

(I know there's a bug reporting thread, but it's long since been abandoned and serves no real purpose anymore. Besides, I want this thread to be seen. So these issues can be addressed)

I think you give me too much credit. I probably wouldn't have touched any of these issues anyways, as most developers/scripters tend to not touch others stuff unless it's simple things. I probably would have looked into the vase thing, but that's it.

Even if it doesn't seem like things get addressed, it's still worth documenting. Fixing bugs can be a time-consuming thing, and creating content also takes time. It's hard to balance putting time into new content and fixing the current content. Again, things can't be fixed if it's not known... even if things aren't fixed immediately, threads like the bug reports thread serve as useful references for staff.  

I didnt know about the blob change, but as it was described, I highly support the change. The blob boss really doesnt need to be a 5minute ordeal of bomb and arrow spam in a crowd of 100+ people, where more people are there just for the zero-effort pks than people who are actually interested in the blob.

I agree, itd be nice if the house vases were fixed. Honestly, I dont see why the vases need a gralat-style spawn rate. The "over 40AP" rule is already effective for deciding who is allowed to heal. Maybe the new vase rate could be increased to 33-50%?  

Why don't you stop complaining and just do something you enjoy in the game. Otherwise, don't play and come back when the bugs have been fixed plz  

 

Posted by Dusty

What's the problem? You complain the sheer amount of players in the area contributes to lag, but complain when they're warped out for AFKing there? Players deciding to crowd areas and cause lag isn't something we can "fix" except to try to discourage players from crowding the area. The giant blob isn't the best implemented thing, in my opinion, but it is what it is and warping AFK players sounds like a decent fix to me.

Haven't noticed this. Try just afking a little ways away? You can still drag your screen to see if the blob has appeared.

Posted by Dusty

Why would anyone do anything about it? This is the first post I've seen about the bug spawns, and things can't be fixed if they're not known.

We have complained about this previously. Though maybe not in its own thread. There are very few bugs, and we are unclear on what is yet to be announced (mantis?) and what should be here and how commonly. I honestly haven't seen a single ladybug, red or black, since last year.

Posted by Dusty

Vases were apparently changed to only drop hearts occasionally, like gralats. As for the breaking it seems like an oversight, possibly.

The occasional dropping is frustrating, and not AP related btw. The breaking on tap is because without that, if you selected the vase base furniture object and delete it, it would leave a vase behind - allowing you to create hundreds of vases with just a single vase item.

Another issue here is that the vase object spawns a vase whenever someone enters the level. If you have 3-4 people enter your house, it drops 3-4 vases on top of one another, making an object that has to be picked up 3-4 times in order to be 'cleared.' This doesn't seem to apply more than 4 times (even if you had, say, six people enter the house).


Also, dusty is apparently still around, lurking, waiting to implement fishing someday (hopefully) ;)  

I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. I thought for sure everyone (who plays Graal for reasons other than just sparring or PKing) would have noticed this. People are telling me crazy things like the vases are working as intended, and that they haven't noticed anything ridiculously wrong with the current bug spawn rate? Am I the only one who played last spring and remembers exactly how different it was? Ladybugs sell for what? 20 gralats? They're supposed to be a COMMON bug. They spawned EVERYWHERE last spring. Now, they've become as rare as black ladybugs, ironically. Same with the common species of butterflies. When I play Graal I spend a lot of time all over different sections of the map. I know what I'm talking about. Bug catching used to be a viable method to make money. Currently, it is not. Seeing any bug (not including bees, thankfully they're still working properly) is a rare site.

Same with the vase thing. I know what I'm talking about. And I explained that some of the vases (for example: the vases in the gnome cave in north swamptown) are still functioning the old way, whereas some (for example: the vases in the nightclub, if I'm not mistaken) are functioning the new, glitchy way. You can go on Graal and see for yourself. And the furniture vases are even more broken, as I pointed out.

At least 4-Lom knows what I'm talking about.

And regarding the blob, the AFK-warping isn't the issue for me. I don't even have a problem with it. It's the amount of time the blob dies in. The blob has always worked fine in the past with no lag problems. I'm sorry but this last-minute band-aid fix doesn't cut it at all. There was a kik group dedicated to alerting people when the blob spawned. It's dead now, and has been since this change. Because you can't alert anyone anymore. It dies too fast.

Graal Classic is important to me. It's one of the most enjoyable, addictive, endlessly fun games I've ever played. It's because I love it so much that I make threads like these. Seeing these lazy fixes and botched gameplay elements just really gets to me. I've invested a lot of time and money into this game since I started playing it back in 2010, and I expect a certain level of quality control.

Dusty, I give you the credit because I constantly saw you always not only interacting with the community and fixing/changing things based on player feedback, but constantly refining the little things, the things that lots of people don't notice, but I do. And I, as a player, was very appreciative of your efforts. I don't think it's a coincidence that all these issues started to arise shortly after you stepped down (I know you still frequent the forums and help out here and there, but it's not the same). The bug-reporting thread is a ghost town. It would be nice to have someone actively posting in the future development forum the way you did. So much good came out of it.

One more thing, to the people who responded without reading the thread: If you're not going to read it, don't bother posting. It really doesn't anything productive to this thread, and just shows that you don't have the attention span to read a few paragraphs of text. My posts are long, but if you actually read them, you may find that I'm not just some whiny little runt, but someone who actually knows what the hell he's talking about.  

Posted by Narcosis

My posts are long, but if you actually read them, you may find that I'm not just some whiny little runt, but someone who actually knows what the hell he's talking about.

You are suggesting that the lack of hearts spawning from vases has been plaguing Graal for many months. Vases still heal you, does it matter if a heart even spawns??