Posted by Sarah_

Imo best thing is the D/W/all time leaderboard to have the wins amount followed by the losses you got and not a w/l/t on same page.

this would be great and would show even more skill than just a plain wins leaderboard would already show. you could then see how everyone active is performing, and if you see someone with a really good ratio that isn't a good sparrer, the sparring community could harass them until the end of time for boosting/selective sparring as they love to do.

thallen, let go of your garbage system already.

any leaderboard system where sparring brett a few times gives someone a full hour advantage over an equally skilled sparrer who can not spar brett because he isn't sparring at the time is completely ridiculous. the only skill showed in this garbage system is the stalker-ish talent of tracking down brett.  

Posted by Thallen

I can't even warp my brain around some of these posts because they make zero sense to me, but I'm going to try my best.

If I'm reading correctly, the main arguing point here is this: "I don't like the current leaderboard because some people get a ton of points and then I can't catch up to them halfway into the season."
Okay, and the solution that I'm seeing most often: "We should change the leaderboard from points to wins."

?????????????????????????????

So basically, the exact same thing as the current leaderboard, except we no longer take into account the skill level of your opponent, but instead give you one point per every player you beat?

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
So your genius fix to the leaderboard is changing this:

pointsWon = (opponentsRatio * 10)

To this:

pointsWon = 1

So basically, remove any measure of skill from the leaderboard entirely, and just turn it into a "how many people I killed in spar leaderboard"? Can anyone explain to me what problem(s) this allegedly fixes? Are you guys trolling?

^^^

Can anyone clarify? Am I understanding this correctly? I am genuinely trying to understand this.
If not, someone please explain.  

it's time to let go of your horrid idea and welcome in a leaderboard that would actually promote sparring and show skill, as yours does not accomplish at all.

a leaderboard for days/week/all time that shows both your wins and losses to everybody does an extremely better job of accomplishing what yours came nowhere near.  

Posted by Comyt

it's time to let go of your horrid idea and welcome in a leaderboard that would actually promote sparring and show skill, as yours does not accomplish at all.

a leaderboard for days/week/all time that shows both your wins and losses to everybody does an extremely better job of accomplishing what yours came nowhere near.

I'm honestly laughing

I wish you the best of luck pitching this idea to staff LOL
If you can't even intelligently explain why your methodology of a leaderboard is better, then you're gonna need it

"This leaderboard shows so much more skill! It promotes so much more sparring! It does everything and better! I just can't explain it..."

pointsWon = 1
^ This was the solution we needed all along guys.
SPARRING IS SAVED  

iz thes jok???1?1 questin mark????? questin??? m i on te planit of earto?!!?!?1???1??1?1??

so basically what i'm seeing here is you think that having a good win/loss ratio doesn't show skill but beating someone with a good win/loss ratio shows skill? so on your leaderboard, we are beating people with a ratio that shows no skill in order to show that we have skill? what? give up.  

Ladies and gentleman, today I will be presenting to you a brand new system of advanced sparring analytics which will revolutionize sparring forever.
This new system has been proven effective and the results will blow your mind.

Basically, we're going to make the sparring leaderboard the exact same as the PKs leaderboard (which is completely dead), granting you the exact same number of points for beating a 1:10 player as a 10:1 player. (Wins are effectively a points system, in case you never considered that.)
Why should we incorporate any measure of the player's skill that you were sparring against? That would make far too much sense.

Then, we're going to throw an all-time leaderboard in there because nothing is more encouraging to new sparrers than seeing someone else 50,000 wins above you, completely untouchable for the next 3 years.

I present to you this algorithm, which our finest statistician has determined will finally show true skill in the leaderboards:
 

and let me use your awful argument with 10-1 and 1-10 against you.

your, once again, garbage, leaderboard: let someone with a 1-1 spar ten times against brett, who has almost a 10-1 ratio, and get lucky and win one of them. that one win is equal to all of the points brett got by beating them all of the other times. who is the more skilled sparrer in this situation? brett for winning 9 times out of 10 against the average sparrer, or the average sparrer for beating brett after losing 9 times?

what your leaderboard would show: this average sparrer is equally as good as brett.

what a wins/losses leaderboard would show: brett 9-1, average sparrer 1-9. <--HOW IT SHOULD BE

now you ignorant man, do you realize which shows more skill? no? too stubborn to give in and realize that one of your own ideas absolutely sucks?  

yo ph8 repped my post. is he a developer? plz tell me he is  

pointswon = 1

aka

it takes the same amount of skill to beat Brett as it does to beat someone who just joined the spar queue for the first time in their entire life  

except the part where that person for the day would be around 100-100 at best whereas brett would be 180-20.

this isn't a point system. point systems have proven to be inaccurate on this game.  

pointswon = 1

aka

a boosters wet dream  

and by the end of the day their records would show to everyone. people would know who is boosting, and people would know who is selective sparring, because we know who is good enough to post a 5-1 and who isn't. then the sparring community could continue relentlessly harassing those who are selective sparring. thanks for the help.  

Important to note that PKing and sparring are two ENTIRELY different ways of playing the game. Apples and oranges- it doesn't make sense to measure them using the same exact system. What I think is happening in this thread is that some people want to be able to sit at the top/near the top of the leader board of "all time" without having to actively spar because they feel they deserve some kind of honor for sparring +50k times. Like damn how are you going to criticize the system in place for "not allowing us to have a life outside of the game" but then expect anyone to spend THAT MUCH time sparring to get up to 50k wins? Your system is counter intuitive. Your conclusions are seemingly drawn up randomly.

Your solution to people boosting on your idea of a system is that "people will just know who's boosing"? You're telling me that relentlessly harassing someone is a solution to anything? This is nonsense, man. They would still be on the leader board for the day and give people a skewed perception of who actually skillfully sparred that day/week/month. Not to mention thats just generally not a nice thing to do.

pointswon = 1

aka

"the side rooms have been really active lately!"  

nobody is forcing you to get a high spot on the all-time leaderboard. those are reserved for people who are extremely dedicated in all videogames. why would anyone see any all time leaderboard and decide "wow, i'm going to throw away my life to get up there"? they don't. they just see "wow, those people played a lot, impressive."

and you're acting like someone in the side rooms is going to get praise on the leaderboard for doing that? last time i checked, someone on a streak can get way more wins in a few minutes than someone in a "really active" side room. probably around 20 wins in 10 minutes for a streaker, less than 5 wins in 10 minutes for someone in the side rooms.

HOPEFULLY showing who is boosting their score will cause a mass of players to report them and HOPEFULLY a staff member would actually show up and take action for once. NOTHING is ever going to stop selective sparring. it still happened in the old leaderboard, it is definitely happening with this one, and it will always happen because they want cool ratios to pretend they're good.  

What I got from reading that is

"they should build a shrine to me, sarah and kevin91 because we sparred a bunch"

in which case, there are a ton of people who have played client graal for 10 years longer than you guys and undoubtedly have WAY more spar wins than any of you.

"people boosting won't get praised for being on the leader board even though they will be high up on the leader board"

At least the leader board now accurately represents the best active sparrers as of recent. Have you seen it lately? It's definitely made up of the people winning most consistently, that's for sure.

"I think that boosting/selective sparring is against the rules"

It's not. Also- this current leader board completely encourages people to spar really good sparrers because high-ratio players get hunted down for points. So, your idea that this current leader board encourages boosting/selective sparring is complete malarkey.