i don't have anything against people having no life for short periods of time. in every videogame with a leaderboard, there will be people grinding it out all day long to try to place high for the day/week/whatever. i just find it absolutely ridiculous that the current leaderboard is forcing everybody who wants to compete to grind it out for three whole months.

i would be someone who would grind out the game for a day or week and effectively have no life for that day or week for the top spot, i don't have anything against throwing your life away to place high. but it is really really dumb to me that you have to do that for three whole months on this one.  

Posted by David

"This system doesn't let you have a life! You have to spar 3 months to get a spot on top! How about a system that only rewards the people who mindlessly spar every single day as many times as they possibly can and try to rack up as many wins (doesn't matter if they're facing noobs or not) as they possibly can to top the daily/weekly/all time board?"

Counter intuitive.

Splitting the current system up into a Daily / Monthly / All-Time leaderboard would encourage activity, while simultaneously preventing as much abuse as possible.

It would be beneficial to the community, and the game itself.

No matter what leaderboard eventually replaces the current one, not everyone is going to like it. Just like any opinionated matter, the majority of people are going to put forth their thoughts as fact. That being said, it would be nothing but beneficial to please the majority.  

Some people don't know how to put things in perspective. This new leaderboard would probably be more beneficial to the people on the current leaderboard.

Example:
Sarah is so good she probably gets very few points from her wins thus making her have to spar a lot to maintain her spot. With the new system, all she has to do is go on a couple streaks and she's at the top.


A wins leaderboard would reduce the cancer in the spar community and make it a win win for both the good and sucky sparers.



I'm also in favor of not letting the memories of players that put in the time to get their wins fade away.  

Posted by Klay

Splitting the current system up into a Daily / Monthly / All-Time leaderboard would encourage activity, while simultaneously preventing as much abuse as possible.

It would be beneficial to the community, and the game itself.

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I would 100% flawlessly agree with this post if you said seasonal instead of all-time, simply because there is no way to prorate players with the all-time points that they should have from this leaderboard, and "all-time" would actually be from the time the leaderboard was activated onward  

On top of changing the leaderboard they can add the spar rating that appears above players head like in PC. This way players that are obsessed with showing "skills" can brag about their 2109/100 rating.  

Why not have a daily/weekly/all time wins leaderboard but also add the losses for the day/week/all time next to it. E.g "Daily" - "Sarah: 127-5"  

Posted by Thallen

I would 100% flawlessly agree with this post if you said seasonal instead of all-time, simply because there is no way to prorate players with the all-time points that they should have from this leaderboard, and "all-time" would actually represent from the time the leaderboard was activated onward

Well, seasonal would work too. It wouldn't make much sense to implement an "All-Time" when there is no way (that I know of) to calculate all of the wins from the last 5 1/2 years.

I do however think that there should be some sort of recognition for players that have achieved an insanely high number of wins. Possibly separate from the leaderboard based on points, but more recognizable than the library of "Who achieved what first"  

Posted by Klay

I do however think that there should be some sort of recognition for players that have achieved an insanely high number of wins.

yes, I agree with this as well, it's just as much of an achievement as the "first to" books in the BA library  

I like both. Thallen's leaderboard encourages everyone to spar.
Ryan's leaderboard helps exposing boosters and shows skillful players.  

Posted by Zetectic

yo ph8 repped my post. is he a developer? plz tell me he is

Sorry, I make it a point to only develop for a server that has been slowly dying for years in a vain attempt to save it.

Even if I was interested, iClassic probably wouldn't hire me, and if they did I doubt they'd let me start messing with sparring anyway. lol  

Still wondering how the old rating system wouldn't be better if we just removed deviation...  

All these posts... does no one stop to think... Some people just spar for fun, and not for board/stats.

1. Thallen's leaderboard was a great idea at the start imo, but then I got bored of being at top 10, and stopped sparring, since it doesn't mean much to me. You have to be on almost 24/7 to be #1.

2. Last leaderboard was apparently abused by Dae, thallen said that. I would have a high score on it, and be worried about sparring good people to avoid losing high score.

3. I think comyt and sarah's/only logical idea of leaderboard that mostly everyone agrees on would be great. People that say a leaderboard with total wins would discourage others from sparring... really? Let's see we have a pk leaderboard, in which someone got #1 after a few months, and baddy leaderboard where people have too much, but others still want to be high on it.

I do see all your points though, I do get discouraged of pking due to the fact that I want to on top/at least get 100K, but I am so lazy to do something that bores me. On the other hand, some people like to pk, and will continue to pk no matter the leaderboard, same thing goes for baddy kills. If there were a leaderboard for total spar/daily/weekly, then people will continue to spar, because it is fun for them.

Point is: If you don't want to spar/sparring for stats or leaderboard, then why spar? It's all about having fun at what you do. The only thing stats should give are hats for milestones. That would definetely encourage people to pk/bk/spar, no matter which leaderboard is set up.  

I'm still kinda confused. The current system is kinda based on who spars the most. You guys want to propose a system which shows who has the most wins. Isn't it pretty much the same situation which will develop... In this system if you see someone e.g. Sarah with like 45k points, you kinda think you won't reach that so you won't try. It's kinda the same for a win based leaderboard if Sarah had like 10k wins I know I wouldn't get that it wouldn't really be encouraging knowing you can't reach that.

Before one of you say something like "But it'll give them a target to reach to get that many wins"but so does the current leaderboard... You can give yourself a target of amount of points you receive.

Both systems kinda discourage selective sparrers because in this current system if you selective spar you'll face bad ratio people and you wouldn't get high score so you would have to spar for a while if you want to continue having lots of points. In the system Comyt is proposing he believes it will show everyone who the "selective sparrers" are and cause people to report them. I think on paper this looks like a good idea but if you put it in reality it kinda isn't. I mean look if someone is in the quick spar room against sparrers like Deus and MShaks they aren't really selective sparring but because they aren't in the main spar room everyone assume they're boosting and selective sparring and they'll get falsely reported. I think we need to remember not everyone in the quick spar room is a selective sparrer.

Ignore the idea I posted on page 2 I just realized the flaws it had but anyway I think we should keep the current system but add a daily/weekly/seasonal timeframe to it and also make it so if you lose a spar (dependant on the person you spar) you lose points. In this leaderboard there should be some kind of tab which lets you see the persons stats too. E.g. if I go into the daily leaderboard and see David with 4k points for the day I can select him and view his stats for the day e.g. Sparred 120, W=100 L=20 etc. Because to be honest I am very curious to see peoples stats who are on the leaderboard and believe it kinda hits 2 birds with 1 stone.  

Posted by Sarah_

I also think that the current PK leaderboard shows "skills" since for me skills in PK<=>fast kills, there's really not much skills involved in PKing anyway...

That's the whole problem with the PK boards. It's just a "++" counter, so people think fast kills = skill (and then people try to wave it off as "dedication;" see next quote). And that's not true. Any method that gives fast kills, there is probably zero skill involved. Yet, people are recognized for it. And people who have good K ratios but not as many total kills are waysided by the crowd spammers.

Parallel that to what the spar board would become if this thread happened; and as Thallen said, selective sparrers (like crowd pkers) would have equal chance of being on that board.

Posted by Zetectic

It shouldn't be based off of ur skill. should be based on ur dedication.

lmao, no.

Spoiler

I thought about leaving it there, but fine, Ill even elaborate for you. When you play arcade PacMan (or ANY game with a scoreboard) do you see a "Highest Number of Times Played" scoreboard? No. You see a "High Score" scoreboard, which is based on how good you are.

Going to actually be constructive here and compromise:

Posted by Comyt

no.
this one: you have no life for 3 months.
wins per d/w/at: you can choose to have no life for a day or a week and take a break whenever you want without being punished and falling behind.

The point that agree with in this thread is that the seasonal reset is a ridiculously long time. So instead of turning it into a +1 kill board, what if it still used the current system, but has a scripted weekly reset?  

Oh no, please don't discourage me in Player Kills by having 800,000 kills.
Please don't spar too much, otherwise I won't believe in myself.
Please don't invent the plane, the car, or the computer, because then I won't be able to try to make it better...