Apple and the Confederate Flag. - 3

Ghettoicedtea · 07-01-2015

Someone strike a lawsuit on apple saying they are violating the 1st ammendment for this. You will win and make millions. Its going to happen.

Kevin Azite · 07-01-2015

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Someone strike a lawsuit on apple saying they are violating the 1st ammendment for this. You will win and make millions. Its going to happen.

you will lose and no lawyer will take this case unless you already have a substantial amount of money to cover their retainer

best of luck in future battles noble gamergater

Colin · 07-01-2015

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Someone strike a lawsuit on apple saying they are violating the 1st ammendment for this. You will win and make millions. Its going to happen.

They have all right to remove it, you should learn the law before giving out advice.

sssssssssss · 07-01-2015

Figured why not put my 2 cents in.

The Confederate flag is just that; a flag. It was a battle flag. It didn't represent the Confederate States because it wasn't the flag for the Confederate States. That kind of blows that down. The US flag was flown over New York, where all slaves came in, for years, yet we still carry it over our heads, and the 13th amendment has been ratified in every state for quite some time now, so it shouldn't make a difference as it's in the past for everyone and every state has corrected it's wrongs long ago.

The big debate it seems now is what the Civil War was actually over. Some fun facts before I through in my opinion...
Like stated above, slave ships came in to New York, not the south. New York eventually decided they didn't want to partake in that anymore, so the south decided they would open their ports to it.
Along with the above, taxes had been passed that hindered the south more than the north, or benefited the north more than the south, through the south's profits. You have to understand this to know why the south said, initially, that they weren't going to aid the north any longer. This is what brought about the war.

The south decided they should establish their own laws, and their own trade rules, and their own taxes. The was devastating for the north, as most of the country's money was in the south. Abraham Lincoln bluntly admits he had no choice but war to save the north. He also bluntly admits if he could have fought the war without freeing a single slave he would have. He also planned to send slaves back to Africa, but those countries and tribes wouldn't take them back. He had openly spoke of working out a plan to send them to Central America, but he got shot before it could be completed. All this stuff about honest Abe is in his own speeches and writings, so go look it up if you doubt it. It's all right there in plain sight.

Slavery was a part of the war, and a large part of it, but it wasn't because of slavery. Slavery drove profit, profit endured in the South, and that profit carried to the North, while the North passed laws to make it easier on the North and more difficult on the South. The Fed government wasn't seeing eye to eye with the way taxes and such should work for the north and the south, so the south left.

Also the Confederate flag and statues of Confederate officers have flown and been placed all over the south for years and years, as well as long before the KKK or anything other racist organization decided to hijack something that wasn't theirs for their benefit out of pure ignorance (can we say the muslim case, where not all are extremist, not all confederate supporters are racists because of a few idiots?). Also to add in the end, it's good what happened as we're all free to be a human being, as it should be. State's rights are dwindling in this country though, and if you think this is anything but a plan to demoralize it further than you are missing the long term agenda of some politicians.

On the actual topic, Apple has the right to do it, and they will do what is profitable for them. They can make that choice not to carry something as a business.

tl;dr;
Yes, they can.

Thallen · 07-01-2015

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

Someone strike a lawsuit on apple saying they are violating the 1st ammendment for this. You will win and make millions. Its going to happen.

okay cool i'll call slim from BFM to get on this case

Kevin Azite · 07-02-2015

good history on the war of northern aggression thx

in 2015 apparently americans still don't know why the civil war was fought lmao

I defer to ta-nehisi coates (99% of this web sight will say "ah, a black person name" and not click)

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...s-over/396482/

Kendama · 07-06-2015

I for one don't give a **** if its racist or not and I feel like if I want to sport a confederate flag I will.

That said, I don't. Because I believe in freedom of expression and I personally feel no need to wear something possibly offensive to others.

It irritated me when companies take it into their own hands. They really just escalate the issue.

Ivy · 07-06-2015

Posted by fsh

i need to get out of America

Take me with u pls. we can go to spain

Kendama · 07-06-2015

Posted by fsh

i need to get out of America

Then leave, it's not like America wants you.

Crono · 07-06-2015

Posted by Kendama

I for one don't give a **** if its racist or not and I feel like if I want to sport a confederate flag I will.

That said, I don't. Because I believe in freedom of expression and I personally feel no need to wear something possibly offensive to others.

It irritated me when companies take it into their own hands. They really just escalate the issue.

Yet you'd probably pop a pimple from rage if you saw groups of people flying this down your street.

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/isis-flag.jpg (Unsupported image host)

Matthew · 07-06-2015

Posted by Kendama

It irritated me when companies take it into their own hands. They really just escalate the issue.

Yes, how dare a company want to distance itself from racial hatred. They should leave it be because... like... free speech or something idk.

Kendama · 07-06-2015

Posted by Crono

Yet you'd probably pop a pimple from rage if you saw groups of people flying this down your street.

http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/isis-flag.jpg (Unsupported image host)

I would literally kill (or at-least detain) someone sporting an ISIS flag if I was definitely sure that's what it was. Noting that it is a organization the US is at war with, it is treason here to support it. I happen to be under oath to uphold that.
By the way, I got no pimples baby!

Posted by Matthew

Yes, how dare a company want to distance itself from racial hatred. They should leave it be because... like... free speech or something idk.

I live in Georgia, we have confederate flags all around. Racial hatred here is mostly black people discriminating white people, or whites hating on mexicans.

The thing is, black people and white people alike are both used to the flag being sported here. But they almost always get along splendidly.
Now that the entire country is trying to decide how to fix something that was not an issue, it has BECAME an issue and now everyone is getting all sensitive and taking sides over it.

All I am saying is all the attention brought to small matters is causing division. I don't see the world ever getting rid of racism because people are trying to detain our rights of freedom and expression. It is never going to work. People are not going to stop bearing the confederate flag because it's illegal. All that does is create complexity and tension between divided groups.

We need things that bring us together. Telling one side they aren't allowed to express themselves on something that is tied in with heritage is not going to make them change. You need to implement things that bring them together as a people, things that make them want to work together instead of resenting each other.

Colin · 07-06-2015

Posted by Kendama

I would literally kill (or at-least detain) someone sporting an ISIS flag if I was definitely sure that's what it was. Noting that it is a organization the US is at war with, it is treason here to support it. I happen to be under oath to uphold that.
By the way, I got no pimples baby!

1) It's ISIL not ISIS

2)The flag has been around for nearly 15 years now, it's not just a 'terrorist' flag and it can be used by someone who has no violent intention and just supports the idea of an Islamic state. (or they may live in Canada/US and wish to have the flag as it is technically where they are from)

Example: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ice-criticised

Kendama · 07-06-2015

Posted by Colin

1) It's ISIL not ISIS

2)The flag has been around for nearly 15 years now, it's not just a 'terrorist' flag and it can be used by someone who has no violent intention and just supports the idea of an Islamic state.

Example: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ice-criticised

You are actually right as sporting the flag without any intent or reason to suspect treason would technically be legal. However that is not going to favored by any police, courts, or authority here and they are very very very very likely to be taken and tried- for anything they could get.

ISIS and ISIL is actually pretty much the same thing. The distinction is not very great. In the context I used it makes sense, however governments and the UN have shifted to ISIL as their official terminology. To say I used the wrong terminology would depend on if I am formally addressing them or describing the region and movement.

Also, as a little fun fact, anyone with ISIS flags where I am is straight up getting shot no question. That's just the difference between the more libertarian and proactive north and the traditional deep south.

Vendetta · 07-06-2015

Posted by Colin

1) It's ISIL not ISIS

2)The flag has been around for nearly 15 years now, it's not just a 'terrorist' flag and it can be used by someone who has no violent intention and just supports the idea of an Islamic state. (or they may live in Canada/US and wish to have the flag as it is technically where they are from)

Example: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...ice-criticised

Either ISIL or ISIS can be used, they even use ISIS in the article you linked...

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sssssssssss Cyril Rain Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 170	Figured why not put my 2 cents in. The Confederate flag is just that; a flag. It was a battle flag. It didn't represent the Confederate States because it wasn't the flag for the Confederate States. That kind of blows that down. The US flag was flown over New York, where all slaves came in, for years, yet we still carry it over our heads, and the 13th amendment has been ratified in every state for quite some time now, so it shouldn't make a difference as it's in the past for everyone and every state has corrected it's wrongs long ago. The big debate it seems now is what the Civil War was actually over. Some fun facts before I through in my opinion... Like stated above, slave ships came in to New York, not the south. New York eventually decided they didn't want to partake in that anymore, so the south decided they would open their ports to it. Along with the above, taxes had been passed that hindered the south more than the north, or benefited the north more than the south, through the south's profits. You have to understand this to know why the south said, initially, that they weren't going to aid the north any longer. This is what brought about the war. The south decided they should establish their own laws, and their own trade rules, and their own taxes. The was devastating for the north, as most of the country's money was in the south. Abraham Lincoln bluntly admits he had no choice but war to save the north. He also bluntly admits if he could have fought the war without freeing a single slave he would have. He also planned to send slaves back to Africa, but those countries and tribes wouldn't take them back. He had openly spoke of working out a plan to send them to Central America, but he got shot before it could be completed. All this stuff about honest Abe is in his own speeches and writings, so go look it up if you doubt it. It's all right there in plain sight. Slavery was a part of the war, and a large part of it, but it wasn't because of slavery. Slavery drove profit, profit endured in the South, and that profit carried to the North, while the North passed laws to make it easier on the North and more difficult on the South. The Fed government wasn't seeing eye to eye with the way taxes and such should work for the north and the south, so the south left. Also the Confederate flag and statues of Confederate officers have flown and been placed all over the south for years and years, as well as long before the KKK or anything other racist organization decided to hijack something that wasn't theirs for their benefit out of pure ignorance (can we say the muslim case, where not all are extremist, not all confederate supporters are racists because of a few idiots?). Also to add in the end, it's good what happened as we're all free to be a human being, as it should be. State's rights are dwindling in this country though, and if you think this is anything but a plan to demoralize it further than you are missing the long term agenda of some politicians. On the actual topic, Apple has the right to do it, and they will do what is profitable for them. They can make that choice not to carry something as a business. tl;dr; Yes, they can. Last edited by sssssssssss; 07-01-2015 at 09:08 PM.

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Ghettoicedtea (☞ﾟ∀ﾟ)☞ dank meme ☚(ﾟヮﾟ☚) Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 5,261	Someone strike a lawsuit on apple saying they are violating the 1st ammendment for this. You will win and make millions. Its going to happen.

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Kevin Azite marxist Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 54	good history on the war of northern aggression thx in 2015 apparently americans still don't know why the civil war was fought lmao I defer to ta-nehisi coates (99% of this web sight will say "ah, a black person name" and not click) http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...s-over/396482/

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Kendama Delteria Manager Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: USA Posts: 2,474	I for one don't give a **** if its racist or not and I feel like if I want to sport a confederate flag I will. That said, I don't. Because I believe in freedom of expression and I personally feel no need to wear something possibly offensive to others. It irritated me when companies take it into their own hands. They really just escalate the issue.