Posted by Alex R

This new leader board just encourages people with nothing to do for 3 months to get a ridiculous amount of pks and claim an award at the end of it when all they did was watch tv while spamming the sword button on their screen.

Didn't the old leaderboard do the same thing, except not for 3 months, but for all-time? I don't understand the argument...
I feel like a lot of people in this thread complaining are just making illogical, selfish arguments because they want permanent validation of an all-time leaderboard. That's fine, but stating it as anything else doesn't make sense to me.  

They not moaning about the seasonal ldrbds, they going on about not having that main ldrbd.. Like fair doo's it motivates players each season but whats the point as in the end they will get to big milestones 100k pk/10k spar or whatever is 'big' now and be like I wonder who the hell is 2nd 3rd 4th in alltime ldrbds for win as that dude wins spar/pk/bk's for the last 3seasons. It's not about them not wanting this new system, its about why they had to even remove the other ldrbd data? couldn't it of kept seperate somewhere? like the full data of the scores haven't been removed so why did alltime ones? and seasonalldrbd just give the rewards.

it's sad to see guilds like venus/CJ/SoS etc who got alot of hours even guilds that came through and broke the 5k etc barrier(that most don't go for) these guild have been swept aside with a gj you got 12th to 1k(not even 100%correct.statement) lets forget bwt the other 1,000's of hours they have put into game. x_x

even for players such as Rafa i think he was called probably one of first players to 100k bk's all off them old swamp baddys no bats/glitched roomed baddys but no lets forget that great effort man but we dont give a fk cause jimbob got 10k baddys kills in 3months of bats  

Posted by Thallen

Didn't the old leaderboard do the same thing, except not for 3 months, but for all-time? I don't understand the argument...
I feel like a lot of people in this thread complaining are just making illogical, selfish arguments because they want permanent validation of an all-time leaderboard. That's fine, but stating it as anything else doesn't make sense to me.

The old leader board wasn't just for mob pkers , the new one pretty much is unless you have a hella lot of time on your hands. And generally 90% of these players are trying to get a fast 100k , they aren't doing it to get on all time (obviously there are a few exceptions). I just don't see how this new way is fairer to people who can't be on 12h a day. I don't see at all what was wrong with the old leaderboard. Am I selfish because I voice my opinion? I'm not the only one who thinks this. A lot of players have been robbed of something that they enjoy about this game

I dislike the new spar thing too , but I'm not complaining about that because ik a lot of people like it and it makes sense. The new pk one doesn't really in the long run....who wants to no life for 3 months and earn a reward , just for what they earned to be totally scrapped and unknown when the season changes. Surely it's not that hard to Revamp a new all time board if the data doesn't work with the new system. Or just go back to the old one  

Posted by Alex R

The old leader board wasn't just for mob pkers , the new one pretty much is unless you have a hella lot of time on your hands. And generally 90% of these players are trying to get a fast 100k , they aren't doing it to get on all time (obviously there are a few exceptions). I just don't see how this new way is fairer to people who can't be on 12h a day. I don't see at all what was wrong with the old leaderboard. Am I selfish because I voice my opinion? I'm not the only one who thinks this. A lot of players have been robbed of something that they enjoy about this game

I dislike the new spar thing too , but I'm not complaining about that because ik a lot of people like it and it makes sense. The new pk one doesn't really in the long run....who wants to no life for 3 months and earn a reward , just for what they earned to be totally scrapped and unknown when the season changes. Surely it's not that hard to Revamp a new all time board if the data doesn't work with the new system. Or just go back to the old one

At the end of the day isn't it the people that spend the most of their day on this games the ones that deserve the prize anyway? Since they are dedicating more of their lives to attain that goal? That's sort of a large part of what a leaderboard is.

It seems like a lot of people are just complaining because the changes don't benefit them on a personal level.  

I don't see the new leaderboard changes anything for the people who can not invest alot of time on graal, since the score is calculated the exact same way. The only thing changed is now they will reward the people who invest the most time on graal.

It does encourage people to spar, but they will eventually go back to normal as they realize they have to constantly spar alot daily to compete with the people with the most free time. And of course, it still discourage people to start late in the season. The same goes for pk and bk.

As for the all-time leaderboard, put a "first to have 100k pk" just like the spar wins record in the arena library.

At the end, the new update for the leaderboards doesn't really concern me and most of the players. I do want the old GS score system back tho.  

Posted by Zideruic

At the end of the day isn't it the people that spend the most of their day on this games the ones that deserve the prize anyway? Since they are dedicating more of their lives to attain that goal? That's sort of a large part of what a leaderboard is.

It seems like a lot of people are just complaining because the changes don't benefit them on a personal level.

You clearly don't understand then. The new leaderboard promotes a ton of new activity to the game and all and all is great for graals advance but for anyone like me, alex and nearly every other person who worked their ways onto all time did it because it was fun.

It's not at all being selfish because we worked towards a common goal that not everyone could achieve. If people want to no life the new boards for the trophies thats 100% fine its awesome it's what you'd expect from any game with a race for a prize but for the people who still enjoyed the old boards and slowly progressing up them... well too bad that's all lost now

A lot of people forget that the top guild boards are gone also and no new players will know all the guilds that worked very hard to make a long lasting name for themselves. Look at vintage, they practically did that 5k just for the leaderboard spot.  

Posted by G Fatal

even for players such as Rafa i think he was called probably one of first players to 100k bk's all off them old swamp baddys no bats/glitched roomed baddys but no lets forget that great effort man but we dont give a fk cause jimbob got 10k baddys kills in 3months of bats

exactly. Why didn't they just add prizes to the old system , and have prizes for certain milestones eg 50k , 100k why do they need to award someone based on their contribution in the last 3 months rather than someone who has contributed for the last few years at least.
I'm sure players would rather be recognised for their overall achievements and awarded for it , than awarded for their activity in the last 3 months. Or have both? The new system would be great if they could somehow add all time. And if they can't or aren't going to do that , I think they should at least add rewards for pk milestones to at least give the higher pkers a reason to continue pking. Isn't that another way of motivating people. <<Don't see how anyone can argue with that last bit if the whole idea is motivation and competition  

I guess I just don't understand because I've played this game going on almost a decade before this server even existed and I couldn't care less about all the of stats that I've lost. Just a pointless number in the end.  

Posted by Alex R

have prizes for certain milestones eg 50k , 100k

They are working on an achievements system that will cover things like this

Posted by Alex R

why do they need to award someone based on their contribution in the last 3 months rather than someone who has contributed for the last few years at least

Because that's how you incentivize competition and activity in your community  

Posted by Thallen

They are working on an achievements system that will cover things like this

Well thank God for small mercies I guess
Will probably have to wait 6 months or more for something like that anyway.  

Mob PKing never happened prior to this week?  

Posted by Rufus

Mob PKing never happened prior to this week?

Of course it did , but now the only way to be recognised is to mob pk.. even people who spend 3-6 hours a day pking steadily Dont benefit from this system , the old system gave everyone something to pk for , even if you cant be on a lot u can slowly work your way to the top 100 , works for mob pkers too cuz they can do the same and it also works for the people already In the top 100 as they can still work their way up. So what if it's a longer goal getting into the top 100 , at least all groups of pkers can work towards something . Only the extremely active can work towards something. Shouldn't all groups benefiting from the old system be a better option than only the extremely active benefiting from this new one.
There is literally no reason to pk at a tower now . Great competition  

Posted by Alex R

Of course it did , but now the only way to be recognised is to mob pk.. even people who spend 3-6 hours a day pking steadily Dont benefit from this system , the old system gave everyone something to pk for , even if you cant be on a lot u can slowly work your way to the top 100 , works for mob pkers too cuz they can do the same and it also works for the people already In the top 100 as they can still work their way up. So what if it's a longer goal getting into the top 100 , at least all groups of pkers can work towards something . Only the extremely active can work towards something. Shouldn't all groups benefiting from the old system be a better option than only the extremely active benefiting from this new one.
There is literally no reason to pk at a tower now . Great competition

So much complaining about mob PKing in this thread... how does anyone propose to fix it? 'Cause the mere mention of implementing respawns sends everyone into a furious rage. Yet respawning exactly where you died with absolutely no punishment is what's causing mob PKing.  

Well what they're looking for really boils down to a passive leaderboard section, since having a leaderboard with a very high barrier to entry allows for the 'long haul' of PKing. But this doesn't mean that people who were on that leaderboard, or people who were aiming for a position on it, weren't 'mob pking' or anything. If the 'all time' board came back its the people who are PKing in mobs who are going to get positioned there first, since they're the ones getting the most kills.  

Posted by Rufus

Well what they're looking for really boils down to a passive leaderboard section, since having a leaderboard with a very high barrier to entry allows for the 'long haul' of PKing. But this doesn't mean that people who were on that leaderboard, or people who were aiming for a position on it, weren't 'mob pking' or anything. If the 'all time' board came back its the people who are PKing in mobs who are going to get positioned there first, since they're the ones getting the most kills.

Is there not a way to add the date from the old all time or something , surely there is a way to have an all time that works even if you just add the data from the old one? Idk..
And mob pking wasn't as big a problem before because the other pkers had something to go for themselves , now there's nothing to go for unless your a no life mob pker

Ooo and about the respawn thing that'd be great , but it would never happen