Qes the first man to hate on pc players then move into a different shell where he loves UN users and believes he is still the best idev player to live  

Posted by GOAT

What is US known for? Besides UN sparring and iClassic GST?

Spoiler tag because this is off-topic and irrelevant in the year 2016:

Spoiler

I was probably 11-13, so I'm not going to pretend to know every single thing about the guild...

A player named Gorthaur was the original leader, and it was totally different than the Rufus-led US. Classic/GTA was never crazy about sparring. It was more about PKing and events. US was constantly at guild forts PKing and having "wars" with other guilds. They were no fort hours or rewards. Winning just depended on whoever stayed at the fort the longest. They were always fighting Ventrue. Classic had this weird thing with vampire guilds.

People got old and moved on from Graal. Rufus eventually became leader, but there were still original members like Dehitay, Yump, DC, etc. It was still a Classic guild at the time. Eventually, Classic was removed from the serverlist and they moved to UN as a last resort. I wasn't active then, but I imagine that's where players like Brett, Ares, David, Stella, and others were picked up. At that point, PKing was not a thing so it was probably viewed as more of a spar-oriented guild.

http://www.angelfire.com/ms2/society/
I doubt that works on phones, but there's proof of the existence long before they cared about UN.

 

Sorry but these newcomers (prodigys) seem like a pretty tight team, they beat alumni,Elysian, and silver up at belle...the leader is scar and I think they got a good chance

Then again not all of alumni/Elysian cores were all on but most of them were on for sure  

Whatever guild im in

(Serious question: Do you have to win to grt the taunt twerking ?)  

Posted by 0.5

Whatever guild im in



(Serious question: Do you have to win to grt the taunt twerking ?)

Wtf lol that's so irrelevant bud

And no u don't have to win lmfao u get a something even by losing the first round  

Posted by may.oreo

Wtf lol that's so irrelevant bud

And no u don't have to win lmfao u get a something even by losing the first round

Thanks lol sorry about randomness just wanted to ask  

Posted by OG

Qes the first man to hate on pc players then move into a different shell where he loves UN users and believes he is still the best idev player to live

oh red this is your forum account? makes sense now. I don't believe I'm the best I think I'm pretty good though, i believe a lot in series sparring compared to most people. I haven't hated on people using a pc since 2013 back when i complained about EVERYTHING because i hated losing so bad. you gotta chill out with talking about things you don't know. atlas when i talk about things i don't know, like client sparring, i reference other people.  

Idev:1stAlumni
2nd:Elysian
3rd:Silver/prodigys






Mixed:1st:alumni
2nd:entity
3rd:blackout  

Posted by GOAT

Never said they were. What I said is that none of their members were relevant outside of UN. Lets not try to act like you guys had a reputation in PC graal. The main recognition the guild has is from iGraal and not PC. Am I wrong?

US was very relevant on Classic well before UN. Once Classic was basically dead, other members moved to UN. It had pretty good sparring potential after some folks from Cherry joined, but sparring was never the main focus of the guild. It def had a different level of recognition on iClassic, but its impact (well, impact from its members) goes beyond just sparring both on PC and iServers.

Just enough to make you unblock me to respond to my comment.

Someone linked me to your post.  

Posted by Thallen

yeah, very
Baddies, US, and Ventrue are probably the 3 most important guilds from PC Graal

This is just another off topic discussion about something that is all based on biased opinions. Not to mention I think asking people from that/my timeline would make the most sense but probably still be biased too.

To be clear, sparring was actually a real thing we did before 2001 too, not just C style, and to anyone who suggests otherwise was either inactive in '99 or didn't play then.

I guess for some reason people think using arrows can actually evolve tremendously. Most notable discovery of sparring was the ability to strife.

A lot of people left Graal when it went pay to play (p2p). We lost a lot of amazing sparrers around that time PLUS when me and my incredible team (especially James205) made Shaded Legend in 2001 we took the majority of the active sparrers to that server and the others spread out to all the other server choices.

Fun fact too, Baddies was one of the original Guilds on Graal in the 1st year of release. Venture vamps (my good friend Goth made it) came out in late '99 i believe maybe early 2000, and US I want to say 2001 to 2003 sometime. Looking at the guild creations on the global guild list is useless as we used to have a local Guild Admin who would manually upload names and create tags directly on the server. Finally, the guild site changed 2-3 times too so the guilds had to be remade as we remade the url to Graal.  

If you're saying my opinion is biased then I don't see how considering I was in 0 of those 3 guilds...  

Posted by Thallen

If you're saying my opinion is biased then I don't see how considering I was in 0 of those 3 guilds...

That is not the only way it could make someone biased.  

I thought Gorthaur was the original leader of US for years, I barely remember him though. But I did more recently find a US guild page that showed a guild leader before Gorthaur. I'll look for it again sometime.  

Posted by Thallen

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If you take GST wins and UN sparring out of the equation would what you posted make them worth mentioning today? I probably made a bad choice of words by using relevant since PC graal has always been a small community and thus making it easier for a guild to be relevant on a server with less than 10 active guilds.

Posted by Crono

US was very relevant on Classic well before UN. Once Classic was basically dead, other members moved to UN. It had pretty good sparring potential after some folks from Cherry joined, but sparring was never the main focus of the guild. It def had a different level of recognition on iClassic, but its impact (well, impact from its members) goes beyond just sparring both on PC and iServers.

Don't really know how to reply since I'm reading it and what I'm getting is basically what I said. If you ask anyone PC or idevice about US I would almost guarantee that the only thing they would bring up is those 2 things. To the impact thing, whatever (for example) your impact was as a level guy is not going to be credited to the guild, or at least I wouldn't credited to the guild.  

I don't get what GOAT is expecting out of a guild. If they're best at something they're good. Do they need to be a charity who support Graal orphans? What are you expecting out of a video game guild?