Posted by Areo

I think the issue people have is that their aren't many checks for this power. I'm not saying it's abused by adminisators, don't take this the wrong way, but you could easily view Thallen's message history, and no one would be the wiser(I saw what yog said above, I'll address it). That's the abuse of power people are worried about.

In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

That brings us to a couple questions that might help the situation a bit.

- Do administrators actions get reviewed by anyone?

- If someone isn't reported, is it possible to check their pm history? As in if someone was trying to abuse it, could they?

- is there some sort of protocol for checking pm history, like do you have to cite a reason or report for checking it, or does it just appear in said log as "(adminisators name) checked player1's pm history"?

I understand that you need to trust an adminisator when you hire them, but absolute trust can be a dangerous thing. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, either. I understand most GP's won't abuse the power, im more wondering how possible it is for them to do so.

I see your point which is basically the purpose of the last question in the application. If we do have suspicions of someone possibly abusing their power, people are informed and of course it is looked into. players play some sort of a role in this as well. If you think someone is abusing their power then you should email [email protected] or let one of the other administrators know. For example, if someone were to ban you because they don't like you or something then it's pretty obvious you should inform someone. Like CM said, if you were to report someone for harassment, your history would most likely to be checked as well. However, there are occasions where histories may be checked even though the player was not reported. Firstly, when a player foams us with vulgarities on our account. It would be pretty silly to report someone while on staff account when we could deal with it directly. Secondly, this only applies to a minor grp of people, the role players. I'm sure most of us would notice the numerous players standing in graal city asking for rp, majority looking for d rp. Other than these two scenarios, there's pretty much no reason why we would check a player's history for no reason neither do we benefit from them.  

Posted by Bryan*

Well I didn't know killing players on .5 health results to being exiled for 2150 hours when your lag/speed is at a normal rate. Will it be investigated? Highly unlikely. Did I supply evidence and had witnesses? As much information needed. Players who I associate with know I don't need cheat/hack tools except my thumbs and mind to dominate in the PK community.

I can assure you I don't think all of them stupid. Some are just too incompetent and ignorant. There's probably a small percentage of the current team I respect and find knowledgeable (ex: Snow Noob).

Have you appealed the ban by sending an email to [email protected]? If you don't have a history of the offense and such you shouldn't have to worry. If nothing else, I've heard being apologetic (a route rarely taken, it seems, with all the posts here) regardless of what you did is an effective way to get unbanned.

On the second paragraph - see, we can agree on something.  

Posted by Milo

I see your point which is basically the purpose of the last question in the application. If we do have suspicions of someone possibly abusing their power, people are informed and of course it is looked into. players play some sort of a role in this as well.

again, the issue isn't really about suspicious activity. It's more do administrators keep an eye out for their cohorts doing things they shouldn't? What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.

Posted by Milo

If you think someone is abusing their power then you should email [email protected] or let one of the other administrators know. For example, if someone were to ban you because they don't like you or something then it's pretty obvious you should inform someone.

Of course if you're banned this would work, but since you don't even know they viewed your pm history you would have no idea.

Posted by Yog

Sure it's possible you could get away with it, but it's gonna look a little fishy when CM pulls up Thallen's PM history when there were no reports that would've warranted it.

Same thing as I responded to Milo.



I understand that as an administrator you can't do all of your work while monitoring everyone else, more just putting it out there as a possible problem.  

Posted by Areo

What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.

I mean it's not exactly my job, nor is it in my power to do so.  

Posted by Areo

again, the issue isn't really about suspicious activity. It's more do administrators keep an eye out for their cohorts doing things they shouldn't? What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.

Doing that is really risky because it is all stored in logs, so when any higher up is monitoring your activity they easily see that you did that.

I think most GPs would either tell them to stop or to be careful, although I haven't seen anything like that happen before  

Posted by CM

Doing that is really risky because it is all stored in logs, so when any higher up is monitoring your activity they easily see that you did that.

that answers my question, thanks.

Posted by CM

I think most GPs would either tell them to stop or to be careful, although I haven't seen anything like that happen before

It's kinda an oddball scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if it had happened before though.  

Posted by CM

Doing that is really risky because it is all stored in logs, so when any higher up is monitoring your activity they easily see that you did that.

I think most GPs would either tell them to stop or to be careful, although I haven't seen anything like that happen before

I think they do this but I never seen that happen!  

Posted by Areo

I think the issue people have is that their aren't many checks for this power. I'm not saying it's abused by adminisators, don't take this the wrong way, but you could easily view Thallen's message history, and no one would be the wiser(I saw what yog said above, I'll address it). That's the abuse of power people are worried about.

In response to Yog's post. I think that while that helps, if you all are certain that no adminisator would abuse their power, then that adds to the problem. If you aren't suspicious of other GP's, then who can check to make sure they're doing their job justly and honestly?

That brings us to a couple questions that might help the situation a bit.

- Do administrators actions get reviewed by anyone?

- If someone isn't reported, is it possible to check their pm history? As in if someone was trying to abuse it, could they?

- is there some sort of protocol for checking pm history, like do you have to cite a reason or report for checking it, or does it just appear in said log as "(adminisators name) checked player1's pm history"?

I understand that you need to trust an adminisator when you hire them, but absolute trust can be a dangerous thing. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, either. I understand most GP's won't abuse the power, im more wondering how possible it is for them to do so.

You and your logic  

Posted by Areo

again, the issue isn't really about suspicious activity. It's more do administrators keep an eye out for their cohorts doing things they shouldn't? What I mean is, if you saw, say, CM checking a bunch of players history without reports, would you question it/inform someone about it?(not saying you do that CM, just an example). That's the question, overall is doesn't really have a straightforward answer, seeing that the true answer would differ between people.


Of course if you're banned this would work, but since you don't even know they viewed your pm history you would have no idea.



I understand that as an administrator you can't do all of your work while monitoring everyone else, more just putting it out there as a possible problem.

You can't tell if your history was checked but it would be pretty obvious if you were to for example get randomly banned for scamming for example, and you obviously haven't said or done anything which would've lead to that. It's mainly your general knowledge on what you have done so you should know under which circumstances someone may be abusing their powers.

Other than this CM pretty much said it all, everything is recorded so that's pretty much it  

Posted by Striken

I think they do this but I never seen that happen!

I was talking about someone abusing their PM rights, lol  

On a side note , where are the admins that "patrol" anymore , back in the day towers /pk areas used to get checked regularly and people lagging would be warped out etc. Rarely happens now. And where is the list of admins names lol , if you need Real help u won't get it immediately cuz they are seemingly focused on other things (like reports and checking pms)

BTW I apologise for any rudeness or indecency I have shown towards any admins in regards to my ban. I know you were just doing your job I just think the system is a little flawed  

Posted by Alex R

On a side note , where are the admins that "patrol" anymore , back in the day towers /pk areas used to get checked regularly and people lagging would be warped out etc. Rarely happens now. And where is the list of admins names lol , if you need Real help u won't get it immediately cuz they are seemingly focused on other things (like reports and checking pms)

BTW I apologise for any rudeness or indecency I have shown towards any admins in regards to my ban. I know you were just doing your job I just think the system is a little flawed

We do patrol however, do note that we also have to handle reports and uploads while doing so. There are instances where there only be one or two admins online with endless reports and uploads which makes it literally impossible to patrol around. You should be reporting these people so that it would be convenient for us and much more efficient. The staff list was removed for a good reason. We already receive a lot of redundant spam, if there were to be a staff list, the staff online would be harassed by numerous people and would be unable to actually help and answer players.  

Posted by Alex R

On a side note , where are the admins that "patrol" anymore , back in the day towers /pk areas used to get checked regularly and people lagging would be warped out etc. Rarely happens now. And where is the list of admins names lol , if you need Real help u won't get it immediately cuz they are seemingly focused on other things (like reports and checking pms)

You should report the players you see lagging excessively in a tower, at least if you believe it to be done on purpose.

Other people use the feedback system to get help. This is also checked regularly.  

my friend got a warning for joining a guild then kicking everyone off of it, I didn't know this was punishable lol. thoughts @GPs?  

Posted by Kosiris

my friend got a warning for joining a guild then kicking everyone off of it, I didn't know this was punishable lol. thoughts @GPs?

What was the reason?