Posted by Crono

didnt he also claim its some kind of chinese conspiracy

Yup, it's so dumb it almost feels satire.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...ang=en&lang=en

Posted by PigParty

lol you're criticizing him for of all things, climate change. Many republicans deny climate change and say it's normal, since the world's climate has changed for thousands of years. That's their reasoning anyways.

Climate change is currently (in my opinion) the biggest issue and if we don't act right now the damage is irreversible - so yes, having a president who doesn't just deny it, but wants to promote unclean energy will do a lot of damage.

Compare that to Hillary's stance: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

There's definitive proof that climate change is real and is happening right now, anyone who says otherwise is just being ignorant or has motives for saying otherwise.  

Much of the focus this election cycle has been on the many ways Trump presents an unprecedented lack of qualifications for the presidency, but Clinton by no means has a perfect record and is a chronic liar.  

Posted by Skyzer

I'm sure Trump's tax **** will surface and be just as bad

He leveraged the debt of one of his businesses to claim a near $1b loss on his taxes which gave him eligibility to avoid paying federal taxes for up to 18 years. The spin Clinton will put on it is that he isn't paying taxes while everyone else is, but the reality is that he did the most intelligent thing he could do and anyone would and should do that in the same situation.

He didn't break any laws and he took advantage of the tax code for the better of himself and his family. It also shows that he's more qualified to fix the tax code in America since he knows it inside and out. Americans won't see that though.

Posted by Vendetta

Climate change is currently (in my opinion) the biggest issue and if we don't act right now the damage is irreversible - so yes, having a president who doesn't just deny it, but wants to promote unclean energy will do a lot of damage.

Man, you're not even in the US so it's hardly surprising you're in this thread cheerleading for Hillary on (of all things) climate change… For you to claim that's our biggest issue is a joke. We have many other things to be putting above that right now, like protecting our country and stabilizing our economy—you know, things that are going to heavily affect us in this lifetime. Climate change is a world issue that everyone could do more on, but it's not the main piece of this election.

If one of your core arguments against Trump is that he denies climate change and he's an idiot for it (which he is), then run me off a list of things that are so good about the other candidate?  

Posted by Thallen

Man, you're not even in the US so it's hardly surprising you're in this thread cheerleading for Hillary on (of all things) climate change… For you to claim that's our biggest issue is a joke. We have many other things to be putting above that right now, like protecting our country and stabilizing our economy—you know, things that are going to heavily affect us in this lifetime. Climate change is a world issue that everyone could do more on, but it's not the main piece of this election.

If one of your core arguments against Trump is that he denies climate change and he's an idiot for it (which he is), then run me off a list of things that are so good about the other candidate?

I don't really like Hillary but Trump is a huge joke. Did you watch the debate? Did you see him deny statements that he posted on Twitter? Did you see his Tweet after saying he won the debate, citing a poll that was never taken? Have you seen his Tweets claiming climate change was created by China? Have you seen the lies he comes out with?

The man is an idiot, have you heard the stuff he comes out with? He acts like a 12 year old girl. Not sure how you'd be able to trust that man to run the country, let alone trust him with nuclear weapons - especially after his statement about bombing the Iranian ships that came within 100 yards.

Okay. So to clarify, climate change to me is the biggest world issue. Yes you're right, it's not going to effect us in devastating ways tomorrow but within the next 50-100 years the global temperature is set to rise by 4°C unless we do something about it - the same 4°C change 20000 years ago caused an ice age. For you to imply that it doesn't matter because it won't effect us is just ignorant and pretty horrible. America is the second biggest producer of CO2 emissions so yes, you should be acting to reduce that - not increase it like Trump wants.

But yeah, I don't approve of Hillary at all but looking at both of their both of their websites and isidewithme I definitely side with her way more than Trump.  

Posted by Thallen

He didn't break any laws and he took advantage of the tax code for the better of himself and his family. It also shows that he's more qualified to fix the tax code in America since he knows it inside and out. Americans won't see that though.

why do you assume he'd fix it? hes not "one of you", hes one of the extremely rich who abuse the system.  

I'm voting for Trump, but he 100% lost the debate due to the way he conducted himself.


EDIT: I like what he wants to do, not who he is.  

Posted by Vendetta

I don't really like Hillary but Trump is a huge joke. Did you watch the debate? Did you see him deny statements that he posted on Twitter? Did you see his Tweet after saying he won the debate, citing a poll that was never taken? Have you seen his Tweets claiming climate change was created by China? Have you seen the lies he comes out with?

The man is an idiot, have you heard the stuff he comes out with? He acts like a 12 year old girl. Not sure how you'd be able to trust that man to run the country, let alone trust him with nuclear weapons - especially after his statement about bombing the Iranian ships that came within 100 yards.

Okay. So to clarify, climate change to me is the biggest world issue. Yes you're right, it's not going to effect us in devastating ways tomorrow but within the next 50-100 years the global temperature is set to rise by 4°C unless we do something about it - the same 4°C change 20000 years ago caused an ice age. For you to imply that it doesn't matter because it won't effect us is just ignorant and pretty horrible. America is the second biggest producer of CO2 emissions so yes, you should be acting to reduce that - not increase it like Trump wants.

But yeah, I don't approve of Hillary at all but looking at both of their both of their websites and isidewithme I definitely side with her way more than Trump.

It must be noted that while there is proof that climate change is real, the amount that humans contribute relative to everything else is still pretty speculative. Just food for thought.  

Posted by Crono

why do you assume he'd fix it? hes not "one of you", hes one of the extremely rich who abuse the system.

Which makes him understand it better than any other candidate, you say he abused it like it's a bad thing but he has stated several times he accepts the fact that he did abuse it and did so because it was the smart thing to do in his position, if you read his propositions on his solution to the problem they are actually pretty smart ideas.

Posted by Vendetta

trust

lol, he made that china tweet in 2012 pretty easy for him to forget he may have said something like that 4 years ago because he's got a lot more important things on his mind

Speaking of trust, I would rather someone who just lied about saying silly things than someone who sent thousands and thousands of highly classified e-mails containing state secrets on her public e-mail putting the whole nation at risk, then blows it off as a "little mistake" she's stupid and can not be trusted in a position of power.

Let's not forget her saying casually that they should just drone strike Julian Assange and kill him (because she know's he has damaging information about her), if anyone else did what she did they would most likely be in a prison cell right now if not worse.

Let's not forget all those secret meetings she had with news outlets and all of the shady stuff her campaign did to conspire against Bernie Sanders so there's no way he could win (about 20,000 internal e-mails that were leaked prove this).

In his conference earlier he says he's going to leak everything he's got over the course of 10-weeks so keep your eyes open because Hilary is most likely going to get exposed really soon.

Bill Clinton didn't want Hilary and neither should the American people.  

Posted by Colin

lol, he made that china tweet in 2012 pretty easy for him to forget he may have said something like that 4 years ago because he's got a lot more important things on his mind

Really? Again, it's something he's Tweeted about over 50 times.

Here's a Tweet from just last year about it: https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...21533131718656

Posted by Colin

Speaking of trust, I would rather someone who just lied about saying silly things than someone who sent thousands and thousands of highly classified e-mails containing state secrets on her public e-mail putting the whole nation at risk, then blows it off as a "little mistake" she's stupid and can not be trusted in a position of power.

Let's not forget her saying casually that they should just drone strike Julian Assange and kill him (because she know's he has damaging information about her), if anyone else did what she did they would most likely be in a prison cell right now if not worse.

Let's not forget all those secret meetings she had with news outlets and all of the shady stuff her campaign did to conspire against Bernie Sanders so there's no way he could win (about 20,000 internal e-mails that were leaked prove this).

In his conference earlier he says he's going to leak everything he's got over the course of 10-weeks so keep your eyes open because Hilary is most likely going to get exposed really soon.

Bill Clinton didn't want Hilary and neither should the American people.

I dislike Hillary so I'm not going to try defend her but the **** that comes out of Trump's mouth is hilarious yet people constantly defend it. I just pointed out the fact that he lied at the debate and you come back with saying that he may have forgotten about something he's said over and over again.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

How can you defend someone when half the stuff he says is just rubish?  

Posted by Colin

Which makes him understand it better than any other candidate, you say he abused it like it's a bad thing but he has stated several times he accepts the fact that he did abuse it and did so because it was the smart thing to do in his position, if you read his propositions on his solution to the problem they are actually pretty smart ideas.

But when he becomes president he's still going to be rich, and he's still going to have rich friends. Where is his incentive to actually fix these loopholes? He's already stated multiple times he wants to give the rich a tax break, so it doesn't sound like he really wants to fix anything.  

Posted by Crono

why do you assume he'd fix it? hes not "one of you", hes one of the extremely rich who abuse the system.

Well, what do you think his motivation to run for president is? He isn't a career politician like her. He has even said that he didn't want to run for president but felt like he needed to after seeing the condition of our country.

She has no plan B because this is her job. She makes her money off of her speeches for the people whose special interests she serves. Why would he not fix it? If he didn't want to, why run at all? He could continue to exploit it. He's the most qualified candidate we've ever had in this area, because he actually has business experience. He's not a puppet that's tied down and dependent on someone else's money, but Hillary is.

I don't even understand how she's able to spin this. Somehow, she has people convinced that:

• Every American should want to pay the maximum amount of taxes
• Someone who has cleverly navigated around tax laws is unqualified to fix tax laws

Both of these make literally no sense. It's like how hackers are usually very good at coding and other IT stuff. Well yeah, because they pick stuff like that apart and know the ins and outs. Americans want a president who wouldn't take full advantage of the tools in front of him to make the most money for himself and his family?  

Trump's original message was great. He pointed out that he was rich and knew what to fix and that he was the only candidate whi was actually pointing that out - since all the other candidates (rep & dem) never made that an issue. But the tax plan he released does nothing to get rid of the loopholes he promised to get rid of. He said from the start that the rich would get a tax deduction, but he also said he would get rid of the loopholes, and I don't see that in his tax plan.

Posted by Thallen

Well, what do you think his motivation to run for president is? He isn't a career politician like her. He has even said that he didn't want to run for president but felt like he had to after seeing the condition of our country.

He didn't run to help the country. He ran for his ego, which I'm fine with. I don't care why someone runs, as long as they actually do the **** they say and we want while they're in office. That's why I'm voting for Trump, because he at least has a chance to do that, whereas Hillary Clinton does not. In fact, I always argue that he will want to be a great president because of his ego.

Posted by Thallen

I don't even understand how she's able to spin this. Somehow, she has people convinced that:

• Every American should want to pay the maximum amount of taxes
• Someone who has cleverly navigated around tax laws is unqualified to fix tax laws

That's Trump's fault. Instead of arguing that he knew the problems with the taxes because he's had first-hand experience exploiting loopholes, he just said he was a genius for doing that. Now he let something that at first glance appears bad but could have been used in his favor, to now be used against him even more.

Posted by Vendetta

Climate change is currently (in my opinion) the biggest issue and if we don't act right now the damage is irreversible - so yes, having a president who doesn't just deny it, but wants to promote unclean energy will do a lot of damage.

Compare that to Hillary's stance: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/

There's definitive proof that climate change is real and is happening right now, anyone who says otherwise is just being ignorant or has motives for saying otherwise.

I respectfully disagree. Not with your opinion on clime change, but your opinion on the candidates' opinions on it. The thing is that what Hillary Clinton said is nice and dandy, but it's not realistic. I'm sure there's not a single politician in America that would rather be using oil than solar energy. The problem is a matter of efficiency. She wants to reduce oil in cars by a third, but replace it with what? There's nothing as efficient as oil currently. Even electric cars use electricity which is - guess what! powered by coal. I do believe what we use is hurting the environment, but what politicians say about climate change in order to get elected is unrealistic.  

Posted by PigParty

He didn't run to help the country. He ran for his ego, which I'm fine with. I don't care why someone runs, as long as they actually do the **** they say and we want while they're in office. That's why I'm voting for Trump, because he at least has a chance to do that, whereas Hillary Clinton does not. In fact, I always argue that he will want to be a great president because of his ego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI  

Posted by Fulgore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEPs17_AkTI

Whoever that man was should have ran for president this year, because that was not the Donald Trump who has been running.

Also not sure if that video was to back me up, or go against what I said.  

VP debate in an hour if anyone wants to see some boring ****