Problem with k/d display is that often the best way to defend a tower against a lot of people is to just sit in front of a door and spam until you die, which isn't a great way to get kills.  

Posted by Force

How many kills you get before each death is a good measure of PK skill.

Not really.

Half the time you PK in a tower a good portion of your kills are off of people who are not even actively PKing you back, you are just killing people who are brainlessly sword spamming the flag and hitting you back every now and then.

Most people defending don't put much effort into it either, usually they just sword spam near flag and at the flag so it's not too difficult to kill defenders.

People who are "good" at getting positive K/Ds do it because they ignore the actual towering part and snipe people who are already low health and being hit by several other people while doing the actual objective of towering.

If you want to measure any sort of skill then a 1vs1 spar match where both opponents have 3HP and are actually focused with the objective of killing each other would be the way to go.  

Posted by alexx

I don't think the kill/death ratio of pkers can be a good way to measure how good you are at pking. Yeah it's a good way to measure how good someone is at avoiding getting killed and killing other people, but you get deaths by doing other activities, most pkers also have lots of bks, which also counts towards your death ratio, maybe they should only count deaths inside towers that would be a good way to measure skill if that's what you guys are looking for, but other poets probably have racked up a lot of deaths from bking or any other activists that aren't pking!

But that being said I will agree the kill/death ratio is probably the best evidence we have of someone being good at pk!

Yeah, you're right, there are too many outside influences to be able to compare kills with deaths skill wise. The concept is still there though. Some of the ideas from the PK Streaks thread would be nice, specifically these:

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...7&postcount=14

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...9&postcount=15

Posted by Colin

Not really.

Half the time you PK in a tower a good portion of your kills are off of people who are not even actively PKing you back, you are just killing people who are brainlessly sword spamming the flag and hitting you back every now and then.

Most people defending don't put much effort into it either, usually they just sword spam near flag and at the flag so it's not too difficult to kill defenders.

People who are "good" at getting positive K/Ds do it because they ignore the actual towering part and snipe people who are already low health and being hit by several other people while doing the actual objective of towering.

If you want to measure any sort of skill then a 1vs1 spar match where both opponents have 3HP and are actually focused with the objective of killing each other would be the way to go.

You're thinking way too much about how spar skills are measured though. PKing done efficiently(without mobbing) isn't some noble thing, where you face someone fair and square. It's a whole different type of activity. Almost like guerrilla warfare, you just pick off as many as you can before you die yourself. Just because facing someone one on one in a spar takes skill, it doesn't mean PK is completely void of skill if you don't do it the same way as a spar.

If people who are towering are defending lazily, that's on them, maybe they should wake up before we take their flag. People being lazy in regards to towering is a whole different thing, that the NGS will hopefully fix up. Also, we're talking about the sole activity of PKing, not gaining kills on the side when towering. PKers who actually enjoy the sport aren't going to be standing around spamming at doorways.  

I talked about PKing inside towers because all the "legit" PKers PK by attacking towers (but not towering)

Anyone PKing outside of towers is what people deem as illegitimate PKers based on how the PK community tries to isolate them, so everything said still holds true to what people deem 'legit/good' PKers.  

how have you guys been talking about kill/death ratio and nobody mentioned that sparrers get a death every time they die in a spar or guildspar match yet we don't get kills for it

i'm almost negative with at least 13,000 spar related deaths  

Posted by Comyt

how have you guys been talking about kill/death ratio and nobody mentioned that sparrers get a death every time they die in a spar or guildspar match yet we don't get kills for it

i'm almost negative with at least 13,000 spar related deaths

I have around 21k player kills and 20700 spar wins, my k/d is really bad because dying in a spar and guild spar count towards deaths, if they were to show Kd on a profile 90% of sparrers who didn't pk excessively before hand will have a terrible KD like me and comyt

Also if you tie a spar it counts as a death  

Posted by Colin

I talked about PKing inside towers because all the "legit" PKers PK by attacking towers (but not towering)

Anyone PKing outside of towers is what people deem as illegitimate PKers based on how the PK community tries to isolate them, so everything said still holds true to what people deem 'legit/good' PKers.

I don't really have an argument for that, I can't speak for how others may feel.

All I really know is that Penguin didn't attempt to edit the list in any way, so he obviously has his mind set and won't be persuaded. I've posted my opinions, so I'll leave it at that for now.  

Penguin didn't write the list & he's Darkks pet, it's just to troll and it's obvious with some of the names they left out while including Maeby  

comyt going full drama queen ****** over me saying 2 words generally is pretty funny, too  

your false ego is out of control

i'll live with you calling me a "full drama queen ******" for pointing out instances of you being a full drama queen ******, it's whatever

Posted by Colin

Penguin didn't write the list & he's Darkks pet, it's just to troll and it's obvious with some of the names they left out while including Maeby

this was obvious from the start still a good debate here, productive arguing between the PKers  

What do you people consider boosting?  

Posted by Skyzer

What do you people consider boosting?

Spoiler

Imo if you go head to head against another pker in the same tower for one hour non stop that would be a more effective way to gauge who’s the better pker, in contrast to kdr. But yeah pking is pretty straightforward, doesn’t require skill. More determination, which is hard considering theres no incentives to motivate

I find it funny how this Comet freak keeps calling me a psychopath, it’s hypocritical considering he’s 20+, ‘hardly plays’ graal and yet he still struggles to control his emotions on an online forum that keeps him awake all night.  

I understand what the basic form of boosting is, but I was called a booster for just PKing at MoD Fort. I have, like, 8k kills and only about 30 hours total on Classic.  

^--Probably just someone salty over 'stolen' kills  

Posted by Darkk

^--Probably just someone salty over 'stolen' kills

Probably that, or because I didn't accept guild invite. *shrug*