Criticizing a religion doesn't make you racist bimbo

You should learn to read buddy, let me give you a few examples:

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“They ask you about fighting during the sacred months. Tell them, fighting therein is a great sin but a greater sin is to prevent mankind from following the way of Allah, to disbelieve in him.” 2:217

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“Kill them wherever you find them and drive them out from where they drove you out. Persecution is worse than slaughter.” 2:191

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks.” 47:4

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“When your Lord revealed to the angels, ‘Truly I am with you. So, keep firm those who have believed. I will strike terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved. So, strike them at the necks and cut off their fingers.’” 8:12

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“Men are the protectors and maintainers of women because Allah has made one superior to the other and because they spend to support them from their means. Therefore, righteous women are obedient and they guard in the husband’s absence what Allah orders them to guard. And, as to those women from whom you fear disobedience, give them a warning, send them to separate beds, and beat them.” 4:34

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:123

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority" 3:151

Posted by Saeed

nowhere in the Quran that includes anything violent/aggressive.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" 5:33

Should I keep going? These are just a few of the violent versus, haven't even gotten to the aggressive stuff regarding women/homosexuals and others aside from the quote in there about beating women who don't obey you.  

Posted by Kosiris

criticism of religion isn't racist. the quran also states that everything that the prophet preached was from allah himself, emphasizing the importance of hadiths.

True but this means nothing because non of the hadiths contains any information related to killing non believers. Like there is absolutely no prove of an Islamic original quotation that encourages any muslim to kill non-believers. Unless if you're talking about "the right"(not even a commandment) to kill people who left the islamic religion. If so, non of the purposes of the terrorist attacks been made because of "the right to kill people who left the islamic religion".  

Posted by Saeed

absolutely no prove of an Islamic original quotation that encourages any muslim to kill non-believers.

you blind??????

just gave you a whole list (that is a short collection of a lot more violent and aggressive versus)  

Yes, we're allowed to literally kill any person in-battle. As defenderswho are protecting their own country. Which is pretty normal?????
We're also allowed to kill non-believere who gets in our way using physical/violence movments (The non-believers) while we're trying to spread our religion around the world. I can google quotes from the bible and post them here too without know their meanings/without reading what it said before this quote.  

Posted by Saeed

Yes, we're allowed to literally kill any person in-battle. As defenderswho are protecting their own country. Which is pretty normal?????

This is pretty ironic considering the bodyguards of Erdogan literally beat up American citizens on American soil and they pretty much got off scott-free.

Off with their heads! Or not considering Trump and Erdogan are buddies now I guess...  

“Oh you who believe, fight those of the disbelievers who are close to you and let them find harshness in you.” 9:123

“Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. Those who follow Him are merciful to one another but harsh to the disbeliever.” 48:29

“They wish that you would reject faith as they have rejected faith unless that you would all be equal. So, don’t take protectors from them unless they emigrate in the way of Allah but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them.” 4:89

None of those versus are based on defending or protecting yourself, and the last verse is literally calling to kill all non-believers just for rejecting the faith.

I also like how you completely avoided the fact women are treated subhuman and LGBT are executed in Islam-dominated countries because of religious teachings.  

Posted by Saeed

True but this means nothing because non of the hadiths contains any information related to killing non believers. Like there is absolutely no prove of an Islamic original quotation that encourages any muslim to kill non-believers. Unless if you're talking about "the right"(not even a commandment) to kill people who left the islamic religion. If so, non of the purposes of the terrorist attacks been made because of "the right to kill people who left the islamic religion".

I have all day to explain every single quotation  

okay so explain why that says to kill someone just for not following Islam??  

Posted by Colin

okay so explain why that says to kill someone just for not following Islam??

"If they turn back from islam" I never denied the fact you have the right to kill people who left Islam after being a muslim. I literally showed you the meaning of the quote and you still missed understood it. I gave you the chance to show how muslims are taught to kill non-believers. Although you used several quotes from google, non of them emphasize that muslims must kill non-believers.
If so, howcome Muslims are also dying in almost every terrorist attack? If Isis were truly linked to Islam, they wouldn't have killed their own in the sake of killing non-believers. Muslims victims and Isis suicide bombers are two great examples.  

They are non-believers to begin with, and if they do follow Islam and leave that makes non-believers, therefore you are being told to kill non-believers.

Every quote I posted was about killing non-believers, and quit focusing your argument on this one topic while completely avoiding everything else I mentioned.

They kill for several reasons outside of people being non-believers but all their killings stem from religious beliefs, such as the time they executed two young boys for eating during Ramadan when it was forbidden.

Posted by Saeed

I never denied the fact you have the right to kill people who left Islam after being a muslim.

How can you say this and still get bothered by people that criticize the religion? Do you think that's acceptable or what???  

Posted by Colin

They kill for several reasons outside of people being non-believers but all their killings stem from religious beliefs, such as the time they executed two young boys for eating during Ramadan when it was forbidden.

Ignorant people, I ate during Ramadan myself when it was necessary or when I just cannot continue which is wrong (the second part). Still doesn't mean they have the right to kill me, there is also no prove of Allah commanding us to kill people who eat during Ramadan. If you're going to say "you obviously live in the uk so no they wont kill you" I used to live in an arabic country, some and people eats in public during Ramadan.I'm not bothered anymore to explain every single quote you have listed because there is no point.  

Saeed the guy to claim the Quran has no violence then try to justify it when proven wrong lmao



That whole verse and several others like it are about killing non-believers, quit trying to act like Islam never preaches it.

It also does not indicate they are talking about Muslims who drop their faith, you could apply turning back from Islam to anyone who chooses not to believe, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic countries will execute those who dismiss the Islamic religion, and you don't think that's a problem? Even if it is purely Muslims who quit believing that's still killing non-believers and a major issue.

Islam has problematic teaching, as does the Bible, it's fair to criticize both and both need reforming, Islam just happens to be much worse.  

Posted by Colin

God damn you are ignorant, ISLAM IS A PROBLEM.

We aren't attacking it we are pointing out FACTS.

Islam dominated countries treat women like slaves and kill homosexuals and non-believers (yes Saudi will execute atheists and those who dismiss Islam) because that's what Islam TEACHES. That's a PROBLEM.

The holy texts of Islam preach to KILL non-believers, that's a PROBLEM, and there's no wrong interpretations when it very clearly says to kill non-believers several times.

It's FACT not opinion, which is why, yes, criticizing Islam is OKAY because it DESERVES TO BE CRITICIZED.

Do research before you try to claim Islam is actually acceptable.

Hundreds of millions of Muslims (even those in countries like the US) have stated they support Sharia law, which is HORRIBLE.

Don't sit here and tell me there isn't anything wrong with Islam when my friend in Saudi Arabia could be executed for THREE different things that are normal and widely accepted because Islam says it's a problem.

How is it illogical to interpret something how it was meant to be interpreted? Especially when it comes to a religious belief, what are you even trying to say?

When you flat out say it's bad, you're attacking it. Maybe it's valid. Racism is bad, but by saying so, you're attacking the racist ideology. Criticism is respectfully pointing out specifically why racism is wrong. Criticism is more influential and better to use in an argument. Rather than petty attacks like "god damn you are ignorant" as all credibility is thrown out the window at that point because you proved you can't have a respectful, substantive discussion, so you attack the person, rather than argue against them.

I also never said you couldn't or shouldn't attack, criticize, or argue in any way in favor of your opinion. I did, however, say that you shouldn't mistake your opinion as fact. That must have been lost on you, though. You were too busy being offended by my pointing out of your dismissal of the other side's viewpoint, rather than substantively arguing against it.

I also think it's a poor idea to mistake culture with religion. It's hard to distinguish between the two when religion is intertwined in government, which I fully agree is problematic. But they are different.

For probably the third time, I'll post this again:
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...und-the-world/

Most Christians in the U.S., for example, would favor the banning of abortion nation-wide. They base that belief on their religious beliefs. But to ban abortion nationwide, many would argue would be to violate the rights of women. I disagree with that argument, but I understand it. The point is, based on that argument, Christianity wants to control womens' bodies. And Christians don't just favor the banning of abortion, they are actively working to get to that point by trying to impose laws based on their religious beliefs. I'm not even going to comment on sharia law itself. The point is that religious people from all religions and across every country try to create legislation in accordance to their religion.  

I'll post a hadith in Arabic, don't feel like finding translations:

عن البراء بن عازب قال مر بي خالي سماه هشيم وقد عقد له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لواء فقلت له أين تريد فقال بعثني رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إلى رجل تزوج امرأة أبيه من بعده فأمرني أن أضرب عنقه ( أخرجه أحمد 4 – 292، وأبو داود: 4456، وابن ماجة حديث رقم: 2607- 2608، وصححه الإمام الألباني في إرواء الغليل 8 – 18).

basically the prophet ordered the killing of an apostate here. Are you saying it's still not a law? Also not all Arabic countries apply Sharia law (???) only a select few do.

Moving on, if Islam isn't the problem, you are saying that the legal murder of homosexuals, apostates, the stoning of married adulterers, I can go on and on... is not a problem too.  

Posted by PigParty

When you flat out say it's bad, you're attacking it. Maybe it's valid. Racism is bad, but by saying so, you're attacking the racist ideology.

What?????????????

"What you say is valid but it's bad!!!" oh who cares, why should we be polite about a religion responsible for killing people who do nothing wrong and treating women like they are subhuman???

" Racism is bad, but by saying so, you're attacking the racist ideology."

No, by saying racism is bad I'm pointing out something that's common sense not 'attacking' it.

I'm not stating my opinion, I'm stating facts.

Islam, and racism (IDK why you brought it up) are bad, FACT not opinion, and it's not attacking them it's pointing out common sense and a major problem.

There is no need for me to have to explain why racist ideology is bad, nor should I have to explain why Islam is bad to get it through your thick skull, just look at some of the Islamic-dominated countries like Saudi Arabia.

edit: you edited your post to be blabbering about how to respectively argue, Islam being bad isn't an argument it's a widely known fact, and I already said the Bible has bad teachings as well, don't try to use Christianity to try and defend Islam or make it seem less worse