Posted by Perseus

Im gonna try to argue while keeping this thread on topic, watch and be amazed.



How many of www.senpaigraalgraphics.wordpress.com sites have completely original content, that they haven't acquired using sly methods? A small fraction at this point in time. If you take swiping other people's customs out of the equation, how many of those sites are going to say "Oh, no big deal. I'll just make my own graphics from scratch." ^ On topic @adiams ^



Actually, no. I can't say I've ever looked at the "state" body and thought; "hmmm how can I edit this??" I honestly can't count high enough to recall all of the times I have berated someone for recoloring the "state" body. And, no. I don't recall me ripping off other player's designs, other than a shield I recently made from scratch using CDAT's sideshield perspective, I will say they look similar.

Also, heres me not averting attention from me ifiling.
I ifile. I was simply warning everyone how conniving you are when someone does something to offend you.

I ifile.

It doesn't matter if the content is entirely original. That's not the point. As long as the person/group to people running the GFX site has permission to use whatever GFX used and have permission to edit it, It doesn't matter how original it is. What I'm saying is regardless of what you make, You should be entitled the bare right of entitlement to your work without it being stolen. Because not only is it flat out wrong to steal to begin with, It's basically promoting wrong behavior to make people believe it is ok to take from others and supporting plagiarism in a way. There is a reason why Copyright laws exists in the first place in the real world. So someone can't just steal the Mona Lisa and say they made it.(Not gonna get into the griddy part where ifiling may technically be illegal according to some parts of copyright laws but whatever)  

Posted by Rusix

It doesn't matter if the content is entirely original. That's not the point. As long as the person/group to people running the GFX site has permission to use whatever GFX used and have permission to edit it, It doesn't matter how original it is. What I'm saying is regardless of what you make, You should be entitled the bare right of entitlement to your work without it being stolen. Because not only is it flat out wrong to steal to begin with, It's basically promoting wrong behavior to make people believe it is ok to take from others and supporting plagiarism in a way. There is a reason why Copyright laws exists in the first place in the real world. So someone can't just steal the Mona Lisa and say they made it.(Not gonna get into the griddy part where ifiling may technically be illegal according to some parts of copyright laws but whatever)

How many senpaigfxgraal.wordpress.com sites have cat bodies? How many of those people have asked Coco's (I'm fairly certain I read in a thread that she claimed to have made them for halloween.) permission to edit/redistribute them? I'll go out on a limb and say none.
Yes. There is a reason the copyrights exist. But I don't think comparing graal content to the umpteen-hundred year old mona lisa is feasible.
And, no. Uploading any content to a graal server, no matter what is it, the item falls under graal's copyright. (So it's not really yours anymore, sadly.)
I'm a doubting Unixmad is gonna fret over someone stealing something he owns, and then paying $10 to upload it. As said before. It's easy money. It won't be fixed  

Posted by Perseus

How many senpaigfxgraal.wordpress.com sites have cat bodies? How many of those people have asked Coco's (I'm fairly certain I read in a thread that she claimed to have made them for halloween.) permission to edit/redistribute them? I'll go out on a limb and say none.
Yes. There is a reason the copyrights exist. But I don't think comparing graal content to the umpteen-hundred year old mona lisa is feasible.
And, no. Uploading any content to a graal server, no matter what is it, the item falls under graal's copyright. (So it's not really yours anymore, sadly.)
I'm a doubting Unixmad is gonna fret over someone stealing something he owns, and then paying $10 to upload it. As said before. It's easy money. It won't be fixed

If they don't have permission to edit or redistribute then they shouldn't. Removing the ability to ifile removes the ability for people to redistribute without the owner of the GFX giving you the file and therefore giving validation to use it.

Also no, just because you upload content to a graal server doesn't mean graal then gains copyright. Considering in order for them to do that they would need to place it in the upload page that they would own it and gain copyright over the material. It is also not stated anywhere in any terms of service that any uploaded or related that uploaded graphics made by players become owned by graal. Because of this uploading graphics in legal terms works like a small contract where you are allowed to upload graphics and have them in game as long as whoever in graal accepts it. According to copyright laws if whoever made whatever graphics as long as those graphics was completely original and made by you at the point you say it is done you automatically gain copyright over it. So yes. You technically could sue Billy for ifiling your body if he didn't have permission to use it even on graal. Online reason people don't do that is because it's incredibly expensive and most the people on graal don't know or took government classes.And it's difficult to do. Many people have been sued over similar things in other games that allow you to upload your content to the game.  

Posted by Rusix

If they don't have permission to edit or redistribute then they shouldn't. Removing the ability to ifile removes the ability for people to redistribute without the owner of the GFX giving you the file and therefore giving validation to use it.

Also no, just because you upload content to a graal server doesn't mean graal then gains copyright. Considering in order for them to do that they would need to place it in the upload page that they would own it and gain copyright over the material. It is also not stated anywhere in any terms of service that any uploaded or related that uploaded graphics made by players become owned by graal. Because of this uploading graphics in legal terms works like a small contract where you are allowed to upload graphics and have them in game as long as whoever in graal accepts it. According to copyright laws if whoever made whatever graphics as long as those graphics was completely original and made by you at the point you say it is done you automatically gain copyright over it. So yes. You technically could sue Billy for ifiling your body if he didn't have permission to use it even on graal. Online reason people don't do that is because it's incredibly expensive and most the people on graal don't know or took government classes.And it's difficult to do. Many people have been sued over similar things in other games that allow you to upload your content to the game.

I counter argued you over 4 quotations. and you completely ignore quoting me lolololol. I won this argument

RUSIX's thread may now be closed he gave up

Posted by Saeed

Bloody hell m8

I'm quite the Typer aren't I  

Posted by Master Shredder

I counter argued you over 4 quotations. and you completely ignore quoting me lolololol. I won this argument

RUSIX's thread may now be closed he gave up



I'm quite the Typer aren't I

Ignore quoting what?  

Actually, yes. Any content uploaded to any graal server, becomes Graal's property.
This is a failsafe for say, if Billy staffed a playerworld, made 99% of the things they used, and then got into a massive fight with PW staff or something, Billy couldn't destroy the server by taking all of his **** because he made most of the content used.

Sure, you could technically try to sue Billy, but I'm not sure what court would actually review that case. And Billy would be able to argue fair use, considering he edited the piece as well as stole it.  

/closethread  

Posted by Perseus

Actually, yes. Any content uploaded to any graal server, becomes Graal's property.
This is a failsafe for say, if Billy staffed a playerworld, made 99% of the things they used, and then got into a massive fight with PW staff or something, Billy couldn't destroy the server by taking all of his **** because he made most of the content used.

Sure, you could technically try to sue Billy, but I'm not sure what court would actually review that case. And Billy would be able to argue fair use, considering he edited the piece as well as stole it.

Graal would be technically stealing then. Because like I said it is not stated in any terms of service or anywhere at all that if a player uploads content it becomes graal owned. In order for graal to gain copyright they would legally need to make that clear and just not tell you. Which is why i said in legal terms Uploads work more like mutual contracts where graal let's you upload content and have it ingame. But you can also remove your content(,Refund) if wanted.

And probably any court would,Billy would need to make extreme changes if he edited it so it doesn't resemble the original. Fair use isn't entirely true, fair use could somewhat help. But I doubt in legal terms it would matter since it does not allow the original maker to completely remove their content which in a way hurts the contract. Since uploads work more like contracts then they do anything else. Which would mean a different legal thing could come up. So yes, ifiling is technically illegal.only reason people don't sue each other is because they either deal with it or don't want to spend 200-400 dollars every few others to talk to lawyers  

No. Graal would be technically securing it's assets.
No. Custom uploads are in no way, shape, or form a contract. It is a service provided by a server to you.
The fact that you can even refund uploads is benevolent.

Posted by Regarding fair use:

The four factors judges consider are:
*the purpose and character of your use.
*the nature of the copyrighted work.
*the amount and substantiality of the portion taken, and.
*the effect of the use upon the potential market.

Taking the above quote into consideration, and the fact that Billy edited the stolen body (Assuming you accept that he did.), the fact that it is not federally copyrighted, the fact that it was made for a GAME, and the lack of market value of the stolen body (Unless you are Ivy and charge $20 bucks.) Do you really believe a court is going to not rule in Billy's favor?

Also, do you even think out your responses? Or do you just string a bunch of meaningless **** you believe is true together and then tl;dr it with "So yes, it is technically exactly what I say."

So yes, any ifile protection is irrelevant and would be more work than its worth.  

Posted by Perseus

No. Graal would be technically securing it's assets.
No. Custom uploads are in no way, shape, or form a contract. It is a service provided by a server to you.
The fact that you can even refund uploads is benevolent.



Taking the above quote into consideration, and the fact that Billy edited the stolen body (Assuming you accept that he did.), the fact that it is not federally copyrighted, the fact that it was made for a GAME, and the lack of market value of the stolen body (Unless you are Ivy and charge $20 bucks.) Do you really believe a court is going to not rule in Billy's favor?

Also, do you even think out your responses? Or do you just string a bunch of meaningless **** you believe is true together and then tl;dr it with "So yes, it is technically exactly what I say."

So yes, any ifile protection is irrelevant and would be more work than its worth.

Dear lord, I assume you never took government in highschool? Or paid attention atleast?

Yes, Uploads work like a contract, more specifically, A implied contract. Where graal allows you to submit GFX despite not working for graal and in return allows you to have it in game without any legal issues. This is same thing for Minecraft skins and ect almost all forms of online media like example Roblox clothes and so on. As long as Graal (Admins,Devs, Ect) allow it and you allow it on game. It's allowed making it an implied contract of use on game. The "service" is more of a contract for allowing it to be used on game more than you seem to think.

It also doesn't matter if it was made for a game or not. Theft, Even online goods or items is still theft. Even if it has no market value. It is still theft. Fair use doesn't help Billy unless he made major changes where it is no longer noticeable from the original. Copyright mainly covers the following. (Criticism, News reporting, Parody,research,education). Even all the small gray areas i don't see it being allowed if you ifiled someone.

And yes I think about my responses, it isn't my fault if you never took government classes. Or seemed to pay attention to it. I feel like you'd be one of those people who think our detector test are actually legitimate or that you can't be arrested if Police don't read you you're rights  

In the whole scheme of things you all shouldn't have such a heated debate over art that doesn't have any value. This is how it's been and always will be on Classic.  

Posted by Sawyer

In the whole scheme of things you all shouldn't have such a heated debate over art that doesn't have any value. This is how it's been and always will be on Classic.

I doubt that, There is many fixes to ifiling