Two wrongs don't make a right. I.E. lag blocking because someone lag blocked doesn't change the fact that it is lag blocking.  

It probably wouldn't hurt a lot of you to read the title of the thread. It clearly doesn't mention lag blocking.  

I'm pissing myself in laughter now xP  

Posted by Blueh

Two wrongs don't make a right. I.E. lag blocking because someone lag blocked doesn't change the fact that it is lag blocking.

We ain't lag block boy. They just had like 30 members spam report us cause we were simply blocking the door. I would die in like 5 seconds cause my blink sucks.  

Posted by Blueh

Two wrongs don't make a right. I.E. lag blocking because someone lag blocked doesn't change the fact that it is lag blocking.

I understand that. I wasn't trying to say that making it "eye for an eye" was ok, just trying to say that we're being antagonized when they're just as guilty as we are, but yet it seems they simply refuse to acknowledge that.

Post above me shows just that.  

Posted by Lightning

Only because it was in retaliation as well. Were you not aware that your own members were lag blocking (which in turn provoked our members to do so), or were you just being completely ignorant because you were more focused on what we were doing, more focused on revealing our flaws than acknowledging yours? You are just as guilty as we are. You're making it seem as if it's okay for you to do it, but when we do it it's a crime.

I ask you, where is YOUR sense of time and relativity of events?

What? None of our members were lag blocking whatsoever, and the ones who were banned because of it, most definitely do not. I'm fully confident in revealing your guild's reckless hacking and behavior since I have proof, and the fact you've admitted to it. Whats the point in arguing with you anyways? You already lost, you admitted to lag blocking to gain an unfair advantage.

In fact, if you provide solid evidence that one of our members were hacking, you can omit this post.  

Posted by Rezon

What? None of our members were lag blocking whatsoever, and the ones who were banned because of it, most definitely do not. I'm fully confident in revealing your guild's reckless hacking and behavior since I have proof, and the fact you've admitted to it. Whats the point in arguing with you anyways? You already lost, you admitted to lag blocking to gain an unfair advantage.

In fact, if you provide solid evidence that one of our members were hacking, you can omit this post.

With all due respect, at least I've admitted, as opposed to being ignorant and acting as if I have not done any wrong. I know when I make a booboo, and I am not afraid to admit it. In my books, I haven't lost, but neither have you. I don't think there can be a winner or loser in this debate until the issue is resolved.

And since you've asked so kindly, I give you this. Unsure if this would count as 'hacking' as you have asked, but here is my proof which contradicts your statements which you hold onto so dearly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvym...e_gdata_player

Again, my only wish is that you would please acknowledge the fact that your guild lag blocks as well. I have the utmost respect for your guild as of now due to the valiant effort you displayed yesterday, but that respect would increase tenfold if you would demonstrate some humility.  

Posted by Lightning

With all due respect, at least I've admitted, as opposed to being ignorant and acting as if I have not done any wrong. I know when I make a booboo, and I am not afraid to admit it. In my books, I haven't lost, but neither have you. I don't think there can be a winner or loser in this debate until the issue is resolved.

And since you've asked so kindly, I give you this. Unsure if this would count as 'hacking' as you have asked, but here is my proof which contradicts your statements which you hold onto so dearly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvym...e_gdata_player

Again, my only wish is that you would please acknowledge the fact that your guild lag blocks as well. I have the utmost respect for your guild as of now due to the valiant effort you displayed yesterday, but that respect would increase tenfold if you would demonstrate some humility.

To be honest, the only true example of lag blocking I see lies within the last example, but that is still a small case compared to the severity of the members on your guild. Male (Which i'm going to go rage at) seemed like it was actually legitimate lag, good example would be the one where he randomly pulls out map.

Fair enough though, I'm quite pleased to finally actually meet someone with some intelligence on this forum.  

Any leader who tells his guild to lag block even if they get banned has to be the most respected. Allowing Male and Nadine to lag block to take tower from Rebellious is the best tower taking strategy ever shown. and him recruiting people from rebellious like smiley for example is a great leader also. Nadine lag blocked but male also did he overdid it so did the other people which is why they got what they deserved and were banned. don't know why everyone worships thallen if he's just a useless sparrer who couldn't get 10k-1k not even by boosting. If you can't beat them lag block them- Male and Thallen  

Why is Goten sending all his useless henchmen (With the exception of Lightning) to post on this thread?  

Posted by Rezon

To be honest, the only true example of lag blocking I see lies within the last example, but that is still a small case compared to the severity of the members on your guild. Male (Which i'm going to go rage at) seemed like it was actually legitimate lag, good example would be the one where he randomly pulls out map.

Fair enough though, I'm quite pleased to finally actually meet someone with some intelligence on this forum.

There were more examples, but unfortunately we were unable to document them. I am however very grateful that you did acknowledge the issue, and looked at the evidence I had to present. I know that our guild does it pretty bad as well (as I have many a time witnessed "derp guys let's block" in gc), but sometimes there's just no going through the thick skulls of stubborn people...

On behalf of our entire guild though, I would like to apologize for the actions of some of our members. While I do not necessarily condone what they've done, I can understand why they would do the things they did. They feel that the only way to combat injustice is to retaliate with their own. Or in a nutshell, fight fire with fire. We'll make sure we do what we can to stop the lag blocking, and hopefully you will as well.

And I'm flattered by your comment. Thank you. I commend you too for sticking firmly to your beliefs.. Many others I've debated with were easily swayed, which led to rather lackluster conversations. Kudos to you! I wish nothing but the best for you and your guild. And, I think it's safe to say we're both winners.

Now moving on to the actual topic of the thread, best leaders I'll have to say are Goten and Kuya Gabe (PiNoY).

Goten- Not only because he's a good friend, but he has this something about him which drives our members. For example, while we're attacking a tower without him and it takes us a while, people start to lose motivation and give up. But when he gets on and motivates us, everyone is suddenly rejuvenated and we end up taking the tower. Not to mention he's chill; he lets a few of us at a time run errands if there's enough at a fort, and he actively participates and contributes to the chatter in our guild chat.

Gabe- He's the same as well. Really nice guy, and was never too strict on us. If he ever revived PiNoY, I'd be more than glad to help.  

Posted by Lightning

With all due respect, at least I've admitted, as opposed to being ignorant and acting as if I have not done any wrong. I know when I make a booboo, and I am not afraid to admit it. In my books, I haven't lost, but neither have you. I don't think there can be a winner or loser in this debate until the issue is resolved.

And since you've asked so kindly, I give you this. Unsure if this would count as 'hacking' as you have asked, but here is my proof which contradicts your statements which you hold onto so dearly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uvym...e_gdata_player

Again, my only wish is that you would please acknowledge the fact that your guild lag blocks as well. I have the utmost respect for your guild as of now due to the valiant effort you displayed yesterday, but that respect would increase tenfold if you would demonstrate some humility.

That video proves nothing. If you get hit and don't move, that is your blink. Once you swing or move, your blink runs out and you immediately take damage. None of those examples are "lag blocking". Even in the last example, Male probably was hit into the door and the arrows that come from the side don't hurt him because... *drum roll* ...they don't touch him!  

Posted by Victor

That video proves nothing. If you get hit and don't move, that is your blink. Once you swing or move, your blink runs out and you immediately take damage. None of those examples are "lag blocking". Even in the last example, Male probably was hit into the door and the arrows that come from the side don't hurt him because... *drum roll* ...they don't touch him!

My goodness, you reek of denial. Is it too much to ask of you to swallow your pride, even for a brief moment?  

Quick question, slightly off topic. Why is it that everyone seems to have a camera on when they're playing Graal and are able to pull out evidence at any given time?...This isn't Graal, this is like Big Brother >.< always being watched.  

Can we just legitimize this as, Germans lag.