Posted by Colin

They don't claim to fully understand the creation of the world or dinosaurs, they use information they know to make theories about it and what makes the most sense but they never one have claimed they fully understand it, you obviously don't understand this simple concept so I won't derail this trying to explain it to you, but you are very wrong in your assumptions on how the scientific world works.

You obviously won't change your opinion on abortion, neither will I so I won't type out paragraphs and paragraphs about it for no reason.

At the end of the day it isn't my choice what a girl can and can't do with her body, nor is it yours, the choice is purely up to her and if she feels abortion is the best then so be it because the only person who can understand exactly what she is going through or might go through is her.

I gave examples of science coming up with theories for things they didn't know. I said in my post that it was a theory. You're misreading my posts and seeing only the isolated sentences that, when taken out of context, can sound wrong. It isn't my choice whether someone murders someone else, but I sure as hell want it to be illegal. Again, that kind of argument you guys are using has been put down. It affects more than just the mother. Back to science, you're assuming you know what I'm saying, which is wrong, because you seem to have misread my posts. My intentions for my statements about science are to show that they do in fact make up theories for what they don't know, and this is the same situation, except they're pretending they do know everything, when in fact they don't. Can anyone honestly think that when a baby is considered to be "living" is a fact? Or is it each individual's opinion? If it's an individual opinon, then it's no place for science. That was my meaning.  

Literally the only thing debated is at what point the lump of cells turns into a life. That is the only discussion that drives the moral argument. Unless someone is foolish enough to say the lump of cells should be left alone too, because then I don't want you searching for a way to get rid of cancer in your relatives. Tumors = group of cells. Egg + sperm = group of cells UNTIL a certain point in time. That point in time is the only thing that should be debated.  

Posted by Fulgore

Literally the only thing debated is at what point the lump of cells turns into a life. That is the only discussion that drives the moral argument. Unless someone is foolish enough to say the lump of cells should be left alone too, because then I don't want you searching for a way to get rid of cancer in your relatives. Tumors = group of cells. Egg + sperm = group of cells UNTIL a certain point in time. That point in time is the only thing that should be debated.

I've said before that even if you don't believe the baby is "living" yet, you can't deny that there isn't the baby's potential there. It has much more to do than 'a few cells.'  

Posted by PigParty

I've said before that even if you don't believe the baby is "living" yet, you can't deny that there isn't the baby's potential there. It has much more to do than 'a few cells.'

If nothing is alive, nothing dies.  

Posted by Fulgore

If nothing is alive, nothing dies.

How do you know it's not alive? Why would you try to kill something that isn't even alive?  

Posted by PigParty

How do you know it's not alive? Why would you try to kill something that isn't even alive?

Being alive or not, again, is about finding the time in development. Like I said, it isn't killing. It's removal of a group of cells that the woman does not want developing.

Do you really want a child to be forcibly kept, then unwanted by 1 or both parents for its entire life? Yeah it can be given up for adoption, because that's also a fantastic alternative for a good life...  

Posted by PigParty

I gave examples of science coming up with theories for things they didn't know. I said in my post that it was a theory. You're misreading my posts and seeing only the isolated sentences that, when taken out of context, can sound wrong. It isn't my choice whether someone murders someone else, but I sure as hell want it to be illegal. Again, that kind of argument you guys are using has been put down. It affects more than just the mother. Back to science, you're assuming you know what I'm saying, which is wrong, because you seem to have misread my posts. My intentions for my statements about science are to show that they do in fact make up theories for what they don't know, and this is the same situation, except they're pretending they do know everything, when in fact they don't. Can anyone honestly think that when a baby is considered to be "living" is a fact? Or is it each individual's opinion? If it's an individual opinon, then it's no place for science. That was my meaning.

Okay I just want to reply one last time and then I'm done because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall so i don't even know why I want to reply again but I do for some reason and so I will.

A fetus is not the same as a baby. It's literally a glob of cells no different than a tumor and there are facts to prove that. Sometimes this glob of cells doesn't even make it to babyhood anyway. So if getting rid of these cells before they grow into a parasite that feeds off of you for 9 months is murder, then so would getting rid of cancer. This is your logic. This is why I can't stand people that want abortion to be illegal. They think they know what they're talking about and they think they know what's best when they don't and it's annoying. It doesn't effect you what a woman chooses to do with her glob of cells so why do you care so much. What you want to be done (which is making abortion illegal) will only hurt more people in the long run. Women will try to give themselves abortions and end up killing themselves. Babies that are born after an attempted self abortion will be screwed up, probably unable to ever live a normal and happy life and their mothers will probably be sent to prison just because they didn't want to have a child, leaving their messed up kid without a mother. This will ruin people. This is what you are wanting. I don't and never will understand this logic of how this will be good for anyone. People like you think that making abortion illegal will save babies and make people own up to their mistake of having sex. What the hell kind of logic is that? That's not what will happen and if a day comes where abortion is made illegal then you'll finally see that for yourself and maybe you'll finally understand. But probably not.  

Posted by Coco

Okay I just want to reply one last time and then I'm done because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall so i don't even know why I want to reply again but I do for some reason and so I will.

A fetus is not the same as a baby. It's literally a glob of cells no different than a tumor and there are facts to prove that. Sometimes this glob of cells doesn't even make it to babyhood anyway. So if getting rid of these cells before they grow into a parasite that feeds off of you for 9 months is murder, then so would getting rid of cancer. This is your logic. This is why I can't stand people that want abortion to be illegal. They think they know what they're talking about and they think they know what's best when they don't and it's annoying. It doesn't effect you what a woman chooses to do with her glob of cells so why do you care so much. What you want to be done (which is making abortion illegal) will only hurt more people in the long run. Women will try to give themselves abortions and end up killing themselves. Babies that are born after an attempted self abortion will be screwed up, probably unable to ever live a normal and happy life and their mothers will probably be sent to prison just because they didn't want to have a child that they didn't want, leaving their messed up kid without a mother. This will ruin people. This is what you are wanting. I don't and never will understand this logic of how this will be good for anyone. People like you think that making abortion illegal will save babies and make people own up to their mistake of having sex. What the hell kind of logic is that? That's not what will happen and if a day comes where abortion is made illegal then you'll finally see that for yourself and maybe you'll finally understand.

I know you won't reply, but haven't you thought that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall too? Why am I attacked for having strong beliefs that I won't change, yet you're the exact same. Roads go 2 ways. It's your opinon that the baby isn't alive yet, it's my opinion that it is. It's ok to ruin (by ruin, i mean end) a baby's life, but not to possibly (you don't even know) "ruin" (depends how you define it) a woman's life who did actions that created the consequences of a baby in the first place? I've already stated: who cares if it affects me. It affects other people, though. The baby is affected. It's actually selfish to think abortion is OK just because you don't want a kid, yet you got the consequence of your actions and are pregnant. What if the father wants the child? Doesn't the constitution protect the rights of those that can't speak for themselves? It should, but it doesn't when it comes to abortion. You can't stand me because I think about the baby someone else is killing? You must have a sick thought process then... It's fine to disagree with my beliefs, but you're taking this too far out of control.  

Posted by PigParty

I know you won't reply, but haven't you thought that talking to you is like talking to a brick wall too? Why am I attacked for having strong beliefs that I won't change, yet you're the exact same. Roads go 2 ways. It's your opinon that the baby isn't alive yet, it's my opinion that it is. It's ok to ruin (by ruin, i mean end) a baby's life, but not to possibly (you don't even know) "ruin" (depends how you define it) a woman's life who did actions that created the consequences of a baby in the first place?

Because you want to push your beliefs onto other people. Who cares that she, or anyone else is stubborn as long as its part of their own lives. It's when people like you, who has their own beliefs, wants to use the government to push them onto everyone else that it's a problem.

So you think life starts at conception? That's cool, don't get an abortion then. But don't tell someone else they're not allowed to because you think it's wrong.  

Posted by Fulgore

I agree with the abortion stance, I just wanted to highlight this to make a parallel for any super gun-control freaks out there who might be lurking.

idk you can't really "grow" guns or make them out of clothes hangers lol  

Posted by Coco

Okay I just want to reply one last time and then I'm done because talking to you is like talking to a brick wall so i don't even know why I want to reply again but I do for some reason and so I will.

A fetus is not the same as a baby. It's literally a glob of cells no different than a tumor and there are facts to prove that. Sometimes this glob of cells doesn't even make it to babyhood anyway. So if getting rid of these cells before they grow into a parasite that feeds off of you for 9 months is murder, then so would getting rid of cancer. This is your logic. This is why I can't stand people that want abortion to be illegal. They think they know what they're talking about and they think they know what's best when they don't and it's annoying. It doesn't effect you what a woman chooses to do with her glob of cells so why do you care so much. What you want to be done (which is making abortion illegal) will only hurt more people in the long run. Women will try to give themselves abortions and end up killing themselves. Babies that are born after an attempted self abortion will be screwed up, probably unable to ever live a normal and happy life and their mothers will probably be sent to prison just because they didn't want to have a child, leaving their messed up kid without a mother. This will ruin people. This is what you are wanting. I don't and never will understand this logic of how this will be good for anyone. People like you think that making abortion illegal will save babies and make people own up to their mistake of having sex. What the hell kind of logic is that? That's not what will happen and if a day comes where abortion is made illegal then you'll finally see that for yourself and maybe you'll finally understand. But probably not.

This is too accurate, I really wish I could +rep you.

Posted by Yog

idk you can't really "grow" guns or make them out of clothes hangers lol

 

Posted by Dusty

Because you want to push your beliefs onto other people. Who cares that she, or anyone else is stubborn as long as its part of their own lives. It's when people like you, who has their own beliefs, wants to use the government to push them onto everyone else that it's a problem.

So you think life starts at conception? That's cool, don't get an abortion then. But don't tell someone else they're not allowed to because you think it's wrong.

Human Sacrifice is a belief that some have. Everyone pushes their beliefs onto others and tries to push them into the government. I get you're going to back her, but it's ignorant to say I'm the problem because I'm pushing my beliefs, even though everyone else is too. I don't say anyone's not allowed to get an abortion. They currently are. I wish it wouldn't be allowed, though. And you think it's right. I can turn this around on you, and everyone else who posts here too... I just want to discuss, but some people like you apparently can't handle discussions where someone disagrees. Some people have to attack others for their beliefs. I'm not sure why you're taking my beliefs so seriously anyways. I don't control the law. Get offended if you want when the government does something you disagree with. People in government aren't even mature enough to handle discussions where they disagree, it's not like I expect it here.  

Posted by PigParty

Human Sacrifice is a belief that some have. Everyone pushes their beliefs onto others and tries to push them into the government. I get you're going to back her, but it's ignorant to say I'm the problem because I'm pushing my beliefs, even though everyone else is too.

You have every right to not get an abortion. We aren't saying every baby should be aborted... But people should have the right to choose.  

Posted by Yog

You have every right to not get an abortion. We aren't saying every baby should be aborted... But people should have the right to choose.

Yes, they do. Can't I express my opinion why I believe they should no longer have that right?

Oh, and @Coco's statement about a fetus being a glob of cells. We are just a glob of cells too. At 40 years old, you're a glob of cells. A bigger glob, but still just a bunch of cells connected to each other. The only difference is you're bigger.

I have beliefs, I would like if other people would side with my beliefs, hence trying to sway others with my argument. You're attacking me because you don't like my argument. You know what the kindergarden teachers say... If you don't like something, don't go there. I accept that others have different beliefs, but I don't attack them for their beliefs. I expeess why I disagree, and what I agree with, and my arguments backing them up.  

Posted by PigParty

Yes, they do. Can't I express my opinion why I believe they should no longer have that right?

Why can't you get the **** out of another person's business and what they do with their body?