Honestly, whether you like Trump or not, if you believe that America needs change, especially with the system itself, then you should vote for Trump. At the very least his Presidency will send the strongest message possible to every politician - conservative and liberal - that America is sick of their bull **** and that we want change. Even if you think he could be somewhat dangerous as President, you have to ask yourself if the system and its continuous growing corruption and inefficiency is even more dangerous than Trump. Maybe America needs 4 years of nervousness to send a message to the politicians that don't actually serve the American public like they're supposed to.  

Posted by PigParty

Honestly, whether you like Trump or not, if you believe that America needs change, especially with the system itself, then you should vote for Trump. At the very least his Presidency will send the strongest message possible to every politician - conservative and liberal - that America is sick of their bull **** and that we want change. Even if you think he could be somewhat dangerous as President, you have to ask yourself if the system and its continuous growing corruption and inefficiency is even more dangerous than Trump. Maybe America needs 4 years of nervousness to send a message to the politicians that don't actually serve the American public like they're supposed to.

But he said "*****"
You can't beat that argument  

I'm sure you'd vote for a gay candidate bragging about grabbing the crotch of straight men.  

Are you trying to imply that Trump supports are homophobic?

I have no idea what you just said

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For everybody that thinks all of the recent government ********* stuff is all nonsense, this guy Denny Hastert was Speaker of the House for 8 years from 1999-2007. That is the head position of the House of Representatives and 2nd in line to be President. He has openly admitted to being a serial child molester and went to jail this past June.
Dennis Hastert's wiki page-
"In his first year of graduate school, Hastert spent three months in Japan as part of the People to People Student Ambassador Program. One of Hastert's fellow group members was Tony Podesta"

From:[email protected]
To:[email protected]
CC:[email protected],[email protected]
Date: 2015-06-01 13:26
Subject: RE: Hellow!
Dear Mac Cant believe its almost 50 years since Camp Nose I have stayed in touch with denny Hastert and jan ettelt and andy dolan all these years .

Podesta family has connections to Japan still, which happens to have the age of consent as 13 in some parts, including an island shaped like a nose (noting that 'Camp Nose' is referring to a Japanese island)  

Posted by TD*

I'm sure you'd vote for a gay candidate who bragged about how he can grab straight men by the crotch and they would do nil because he's a celebrity.

Uh, if his policies were things I supported and the opposing candidate was potentially the most corrupt politician in American history… I absolutely would, because I'm an adult that's able to look past gossipy chit-chat in a private setting

And what the hell does being gay have to do with anything? What the  

This guy who is a decorated military official got prosecuted and forced to resign over mishandling one piece of classified information (ironically it regarded a meeting he had with Hillary Clinton), Hillary does it over 100 times and gets off scot-free??

What's her excuse? "I didn't know c meant classified"..... are you kidding me, that's who you want for POTUS???

 

Glad to know you consider bragging about sexual assault as gossipy chit chat conversations.

I made the candidate gay so as to elicit a similar response as to how most women regard the "*****" comment. Maybe I thought you were insensitive to sexism when it comes to women, but now I know this isn't the case. You'd just brush it off so your preferred party could win.


Also if you want to bring in the military and General Petraeus, Donald would have been charged and most likely dishonorably discharged if he said anything like he did in the Armed Forces.  

Posted by TD*

Glad to know you consider bragging about sexual assault as gossipy chit chat conversations.

So then following that logic, the Clinton staff is incredibly racist based on all of the comments we've seen from their emails? And Clinton advocates the murder of those who expose her corruption when she asked if we could "just drone" Assange?  

"bragging about sexual assault"

I don't remember him ever saying he committed sexual assault or bragging about it, the only thing he did say was women LET famous people and celebrities do things they might not LET your average joe do which is true. Again, he never said he actually did it and was married at this time - if he did do all these sicks thing I doubt his wife would have stayed with him.

If he sexually assaulted so many women like the monster he is, why did none of them ever come forward and why did nobody notice him being so aggressive towards women in a sexual way?

Posted by Thallen

So then following that logic, the Clinton staff is incredibly racist based on all of the comments we've seen from their emails? And Clinton advocates the murder of those who out her corruption when she asked if we could "just drone" Assange?

Also their continued support and ties with known sex traffickers and *********s, Trump may have made a crude comment about women but at least he prefers his girls 18+  

I utterly hate that bogus reasoning.

Posted by Colin

I don't remember him ever saying he committed sexual assault or bragging about it

It's clear he suggested he was the one doing the sexual assaulting. This isn't a criminal trial in which we need beyond reasonable doubt. It's the court of public opinion and its clear he suggested that he himself did those things. Whether he was lying or not is up to each person, but to deny he was suggesting himself in that video is foolish.

Posted by Colin

the only thing he did say was women LET famous people and celebrities do things they might not LET your average joe do which is true.

I also hate this extreme generalization that all women let famous people commit sexual acts on them. If you want to use that as an excuse for Trump, then it could just as easily be said that celebrities do things to women that the average joe might not do because they have power and influence over the women. With Trump clearly being the famous person using his power and influence to sexually assault women in that example.

Posted by Colin

if he did do all these sicks thing I doubt his wife would have stayed with him.

Bill Cosby's wife stayed with Bill Cosby. Hillary Clinton stayed with Bill Clinton. Odds are, Melania either believes her husband when he says he didn't do those things, or she loves Donald and doesn't want to go through a divorce, and have her child deal with all that ensues. There's plenty of reasons a person will stay with their spouse even after cheating has occured.

Posted by Colin

If he sexually assaulted so many women like the monster he is, why did none of them ever come forward and why did nobody notice him being so aggressive towards women in a sexual way?

Again, I can't stand this poor reasoning. Why did no one come out against Roger Ailles for so long? Why did no one come out against Bill Cosby for so long? Why did no one come out against Bill Clinton for so long? There's plenty more cases that I could use as an example to show widely-accepted as credible cases of an individual/celebrity with power who took advantage of people (sexually) in which the victims didn't come out for years. People may have, and actually probably did notice his sexual aggression (considering the allegations are true) but they just accepted it as Trump's behavior and never thought too much into it.  

Hillary Clinton sexually assaulted me I'm totally speaking the truth.

We now have proof what a monster she is, lets go vote people



Basically the level all the sexual allogations are at in my eyes  

Pigparty, just saying the fact that the "victims" of his sexual assault came foward decades after and a few weeks out from the election seems fishy on its own.

There is no proof of him doing anything of this sort, If you haven't noticed hes more focused on winning an election and providing a solution then he is talking about fake claims of sexual assault.

Posted by Eugeen

Hillary Clinton sexually assaulted me I'm totally speaking the truth.

We now have proof what a monster she is, lets go vote people



Basically the level all the sexual allogations are at in my eyes

Agreed, a really ****ty plea for a swing of votes.  

It's like you all said earlier, you can't argue with people who don't use logic and choose someone who has been doing illegal things and telling lies about it for decades over someone who said some vulgar things a few times. They derive Trump's entire life, character, and everything else about him from 3 or 4 lines, while they still think Hillary "means well" because she's more shady and discreet about the horrifying crap that she's done for literally decades.  

Posted by Fulgore

It's like you all said earlier, you can't argue with people who don't use logic and choose someone who has been doing illegal things and telling lies about it for decades over someone who said some vulgar things a few times. They derive Trump's entire life, character, and everything else about him from 3 or 4 lines, while they still think Hillary "means well" because she's more shady and discreet about the horrifying crap that she's done for literally decades.

Lets be honest here fulgore, I haven't seen anyone in this thread come up for a valid reason as to why Hillary should be elected.

The lesser of two evils argument isn't valid either, most of these Hillary supporters base their facts on media that quite literally swings in her favour.

It's sad that even her supporters have no reason to vote for her other then "donald trump said a bad word!"  

Men talk **** in groups of other men all the time, especially when it comes to sexual things. Anyone who has been to college knows this, let's not pretend to all be sheltered little pansies…

What Trump said is true anyway. When you're a star, there are women that will let you do whatever you want to them. They're called groupies. Strange how the "victims" only came forward when the spotlight and opportunity to cash in was there. It's almost as if they'd be the type to do things for money or fame!