Did they change the way bombs are laid down? - 2

super kurosaki · 03-17-2015

Posted by Common Sense

RIP Farming in the Grotto

:cry

4-Lom · 03-18-2015

Posted by Rogers

Vases has been updated too, you can grab them now

Yeah, and they are super glitchy.

Also, the 'throwing' of the bomb is a bit further...? It also looks a lot more rigid, for lack of a better word, and not smooth or natural.

Kendama · 03-18-2015

Posted by twilit

I wouldnt mind a 1sec cooldown on bombs, but I dont like how laying a bomb now causes your player to stop moving. Shooting arrows makes you stop moving, but they instantly do damage. Bombs dont do immediate damage, so youre frozen defenseless for half a second.

Are you saying their should not be a weakness to using them? The weakness of the arrow is the freeze and it can be blocked with a shield.

The weakness of a bomb should be you are frozen defenseless for a second without immediate damage, however, the make up for that- the bomb cannot be blocked with a shield and has an aoe.

kush420swagYOLO · 03-19-2015

Posted by Kendama

Are you saying their should not be a weakness to using them? The weakness of the arrow is the freeze and it can be blocked with a shield.

The weakness of a bomb should be you are frozen defenseless for a second without immediate damage, however, the make up for that- the bomb cannot be blocked with a shield and has an aoe.

They already nerfed arrows and bombs completely. You never have any arrows or bombs in the first place since dying makes you drop all of them. Only other thing they could do is remove the glitch where if you suicide you keep your bombs and arrows.

Crono · 03-19-2015

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

But bomb spam was what made UN and Classic fun

How would you know?

Livid · 03-19-2015

Is it possible to implementa way to place bombs faster for farming in houses, while outside of houses it has the pause?

Rufus · 03-19-2015

Posted by 4-Lom

Yeah, and they are super glitchy.

Nice and vague.

twilit · 03-20-2015

Posted by Kendama

Are you saying their should not be a weakness to using them? The weakness of the arrow is the freeze and it can be blocked with a shield.

I didnt say that. learn how to read.

We used to be able to bomb spam ~> admins didnt like that. Instead of adding a 1sec cooldown, like they did with arrows awhile back; laying a bomb now causes your player to stop moving a second. I was saying: sword and arrow makes you stop moving too, but sword and arrow will instantly hurt others, so you arent left vulnerable like with bombs currently.

4-Lom · 03-20-2015

Posted by Rufus

Nice and vague.

http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...t=7835&page=57

Aren't you a ray of sunshine, Rufus! Just like always! Went into a bit more detail for you here, so didn't see the point of explaining twice!

Wushen · 03-20-2015

I really like the new update. A guy tried to spam bomb me in pyrats cave today when i had 0.5 hearts, but he ended up dead. Also it makes it harder for those annoying people to suicide in PKs.

Kendama · 03-21-2015

Posted by twilit

I didnt say that. learn how to read.

We used to be able to bomb spam ~> admins didnt like that. Instead of adding a 1sec cooldown, like they did with arrows awhile back; laying a bomb now causes your player to stop moving a second. I was saying: sword and arrow makes you stop moving too, but sword and arrow will instantly hurt others, so you arent left vulnerable like with bombs currently.

Don't know why you have to be a ****. I wasn't changing your words, i was trying to summarize what you said in a question format. Anyways, yes I fully understood you the first time you said it. However, like I said (learn how to read) bombs do area/splash damage so that compensates for the delayed damage. I was saying the splash damage makes up for the fact it does not deal immediate damage, (like the arrow does).

Narcosis · 03-21-2015

They also added a delay which makes throwing bombs slower too. I tried it for myself. You used to be able to throw bombs at the same rate you could throw bushes. But now you can't spam throw bombs either. I'm sorry but these changes are so completely unnecessary. As somebody already partially pointed out, the weakness of bombs is that you can only hold 99, they cost money, and you lose a bunch of them on death. Bombs did not need anymore nerfing. They already have such limited use (as far as pk goes). All this does it make it harder for farming. And, ugh, it's just not a good change! The whole damn point of bombs WAS that they could be spammed. That's what made them unique, that's what made them fun.

Please consider undoing this change. Things in Classic have been bad enough lately. Why oh why would you put time and effort into something like this? Something that's obviously going to make people unhappy. I don't understand the logic.

fp4 · 03-21-2015

We didn't add any delays that weren't already there. I'm sure you've laid bombs in the past and had them not appear for a noticeable amount of time.

We did reduce the time you're frozen for so they're more spammable.

We also made it so a fake bomb is displayed on your screen instantly which is then replaced by the real one when the server finally spawns it. Previously there would be nothing displayed.

twilit · 03-21-2015

Posted by Kendama

I wasn't changing your words, i was trying to summarize what you said in a question format. Anyways, yes I fully understood you the first time you said it.

You said "Are you saying their should not be a weakness to using them?"
And no, I did not say there should be no weakness for bombs. I was saying the weakness should be a 1sec cooldown instead of being frozen a second <~still limits the amount of bombs you can lay down at a time without making you vulnerable. Delayed "splash" damage does not make up for the vulnerability. That was the entire point of my post.

Kendama · 03-21-2015

Posted by twilit

You said "Are you saying their should not be a weakness to using them?"
And no, I did not say there should be no weakness for bombs. I was saying the weakness should be a 1sec cooldown instead of being frozen a second <~still limits the amount of bombs you can lay down at a time without making you vulnerable. Delayed "splash" damage does not make up for the vulnerability. That was the entire point of my post.

1 second cooldown is not a weakness in any way- it is just a limit.

weakness: a quality or feature regarded as a disadvantage or fault. The idea you propose introduces no disadvantages or faults- it just limits the effectiveness of bomb spam.

So it seems I was right the first time when I asked.

Anyways, the way the items are currently is pretty balanced and fair. Each has their own pro's and con's. Nothing should be changed.

Addressing the farming issue: I agree this looks troublesome. My ideas for a fix is either common farming areas having the delay disabled or special bombs you can buy that can be spammed but do not harm players. or we could just reintroduce horse farming how it used to be.

03-19-2015	21
Livid all for victory Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Townsville Posts: 4,222	Is it possible to implementa way to place bombs faster for farming in houses, while outside of houses it has the pause?

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Wushen Wuxia Join Date: May 2014 Location: In your closet, in your head Posts: 65	I really like the new update. A guy tried to spam bomb me in pyrats cave today when i had 0.5 hearts, but he ended up dead. Also it makes it harder for those annoying people to suicide in PKs.

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Narcosis I Amuse Myself Join Date: May 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 694	They also added a delay which makes throwing bombs slower too. I tried it for myself. You used to be able to throw bombs at the same rate you could throw bushes. But now you can't spam throw bombs either. I'm sorry but these changes are so completely unnecessary. As somebody already partially pointed out, the weakness of bombs is that you can only hold 99, they cost money, and you lose a bunch of them on death. Bombs did not need anymore nerfing. They already have such limited use (as far as pk goes). All this does it make it harder for farming. And, ugh, it's just not a good change! The whole damn point of bombs WAS that they could be spammed. That's what made them unique, that's what made them fun. Please consider undoing this change. Things in Classic have been bad enough lately. Why oh why would you put time and effort into something like this? Something that's obviously going to make people unhappy. I don't understand the logic.

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fp4 maymay ambassador Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,508	We didn't add any delays that weren't already there. I'm sure you've laid bombs in the past and had them not appear for a noticeable amount of time. We did reduce the time you're frozen for so they're more spammable. We also made it so a fake bomb is displayed on your screen instantly which is then replaced by the real one when the server finally spawns it. Previously there would be nothing displayed.