Posted by Eugeen

Sure you're right, I can't claim god doesn't exist 100% but I feel comfortable doing so either way.
Yes, that is considered hypocrisy but I see it as justified due to the other points I've made.

Ok, but I can't really argue against you saying you're contradicting yourself but are okay with that. Also I defend religion because people criticize it. I don't attack people for criticizing it. I provide a defense for it in a discussion/debate. I like debates. I learn from challenging others' opinions and them challenging mine. If anything, I think it makes me less of a snowflake since I'm actually wanting to get down and dirty and challenge ideas - both mine and others. I don't need a safe space. Name-calling is always a good cue that someone doesn't have a good argument to make.

Yeah like I said, there's no proof.
People thinking they saw something and claiming things without there being any form of actual proof says enough.

How do you think history works? People wrote about what they saw and experienced, and much of our knowledge of history comes from letters, books, and other writings from historical figures and those around them. Backed sometimes by artifacts from back in the day such - which I would like to note we have historical artifacts of things from the Bible. You can give whatever merit you want to writings in religious books, but to say that writings from history have no credibility is to dismiss all of history.

People can do whatever they want with their lives, I just think it's stupid/stupidity to believe in stuff like this to the point where one is willing to devote their lifes to it and follow certain rules just because some other human made all of this stuff up with anything proper to back it up.
There's tons of things we don't know yet but if you actually think a god that humans made up exists then I feel sorry for those people in that regard

What's stupid about trying to better yourself? That's ultimately what religion is; a prescription for how to live a better life and to be benevolent towards others. We follow the American Constitution and have based the entire country off of it. People honor those rules made up by humans. People die for those rules made up by humans.

Also, I don't think it's a far-fetched idea that there's something greater than humans. You really think that we are it? Humankind is the ultimate life in the universe? We are so limited, physically and mentally. And then how did the world or the universe come into existence? Was it always? The idea of a big bang that creates living organisms all of a sudden make sense? What about our souls? Is that something that dies with you? Does that mean it's nothing special and can be recreated with AI, or is it something more, and is why AI can't ever be a true replication of a human? Humans know so little that to only give merit to ideas about what we know seems like such a waste. Even outside of religion, the things that we don't know is what fascinates me the most.

Anyone who wants to see something interesting, look up the double slit experiment on youtube.  

Posted by Eugeen

God doesn't exist anyways.
There's no need to disprove anything when the existence of a god can't be proven in the first place

you just gotta believe  

nothing like arguing the existence of god on a dead forums site for a bad video game  

Gross. This is one of those times where math actually becomes useful in real life.
In order to prove or disprove something, one method is by contradiction.
To say some being can create something that cannot be lifted by himself, yet he can lift all things including that which he cannot lift is false by contradiction.

Good thing I paid attention in Discrete math.  

Posted by Fysez

Gross. This is one of those times where math actually becomes useful in real life.
In order to prove or disprove something, one method is by contradiction.
To say some being can create something that cannot be lifted by himself, yet he can lift all things including that which he cannot lift is false by contradiction.

Good thing I paid attention in Discrete math.

...don't think a math course was needed to understand what a paradox is  

In terms of if god exist or not, I'm just gonna say this.
Each and every human, Is dumb really, because humans never look into the past and not only do humans in general rarely ever learn from their ancestors mistakes they also forget what happened as well. For instance, What if I told you there was actually many species. Yes species. Not race, Of humans at a point in time? They was called Neanderthals for the most well known ones. Also there is Java man and so on.

When you look back in history, Deep, Deep history. You'll find things humans forgotten. We even forget things in our lifetime even. If a existence of a God was true. We are way too past that time too know about it.and if no Bible was ever made then chances are no human would even know of it today now would we? Saying we could is like saying we would know of the exact details of a conversation word for word one of our parents had with their parents when they was a kid. They probably don't remember word for word and neither could we.  

Posted by Rusix

In terms of if god exist or not, I'm just gonna say this.
Each and every human, Is dumb really, because humans never look into the past and not only do humans in general rarely ever learn from their ancestors mistakes they also forget what happened as well. For instance, What if I told you there was actually many species. Yes species. Not race, Of humans at a point in time? They was called Neanderthals for the most well known ones. Also there is Java man and so on.

When you look back in history, Deep, Deep history. You'll find things humans forgotten. We even forget things in our lifetime even. If a existence of a God was true. We are way too past that time too know about it.and if no Bible was ever made then chances are no human would even know of it today now would we? Saying we could is like saying we would know of the exact details of a conversation word for word one of our parents had with their parents when they was a kid. They probably don't remember word for word and neither could we.

This doesn't make humans dumb. It means we haven't experienced it since we weren't born 80 thousand years ago. You'd be crazy to think that we should sit down and learn every detail about the past without looking into the future.

Also do you know how many people do look into the past? Every history teacher ever who is passionate about their job is one example.

In the end, if humans had forgotten the Bible and other religions, there would be much less wars in history.  

If God does exist, and if God is all-powerful
then the unliftable rock can’t exist, regardless of the question

However, it is stated that God can do everything that is possible, and he can’t do the impossible, such as lie
If the unliftable rock were to exist, then it would be infinite in size

Can everything be nothing? Can nothing be everything?  

Posted by Fysez

This doesn't make humans dumb. It means we haven't experienced it since we weren't born 80 thousand years ago. You'd be crazy to think that we should sit down and learn every detail about the past without looking into the future.

Also do you know how many people do look into the past? Every history teacher ever who is passionate about their job is one example.

In the end, if humans had forgotten the Bible and other religions, there would be much less wars in history.

We wouldn't likely have had less war, Not all wars are based on religion and many countries have their own. Plus, North Korea and USA for example. Do either really care about a religious standpoint? No but they getting pretty dang heated where a war is suspected to happen  

Posted by Rusix

We wouldn't likely have had less war, Not all wars are based on religion and many countries have their own. Plus, North Korea and USA for example. Do either really care about a religious standpoint? No but they getting pretty dang heated where a war is suspected to happen

You're right. I have heard multiple times in my life "religion is the number 1 cause of war." Turns out it's just a myth.

Sources:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1400766
https://carm.org/religion-cause-war  

Posted by Fysez

You're right. I have heard multiple times in my life "religion is the number 1 cause of war." Turns out it's just a myth.

Sources:
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1400766
https://carm.org/religion-cause-war

Don't get me wrong, Religion can play a role in war, But I wouldn't say it was the most major starter, (Maybe the 3rd biggest war starter)We had wars over terrorism (Which yes I'll kinda count as a religious issue because seemingly most terrorist associate killing Americans with a religious reward like I think 60 ******s or something, They don't state which gender so hope they like it in the bum if they didn't get what hey was expecting). But generally speaking not many wars was brought by religion itself. Biggest war probably with a religion aspect in recent history was WW2 ( I say that because Hitler believed Germans was superior and teeecchhnically it was religious due to it's connection to Jews later on when it started, Even though it technically didn't start because of Jews but Hitler blamed Jews so they technically mads it a slightly religion issue) but real cause of it WW2 happened in WW1 being the treaty of Versailles.

However bigger things for wars usually happen before hand, Like North Korea and America with issues between them. Fighting for resources. Preventing spread of communism. Even assassinations caused one of the biggest wars in our time (WW1 with the Archduke ).

But generally speaking Religion plays a role in war time to time, But I'd hardly say it is the biggest culprit. Possibly 2ND to 3rd largest issue. But hardly the main reason  

Posted by Fysez

In the end, if humans had forgotten the Bible and other religions, there would be much less wars in history.

I don't know if this was meant to portray religion as a bad thing, but I know some people would agree with that portrayal so I'd like to say something about that.

There would be fewer wars if everyone was the same race. There would be fewer wars if everyone was the same gender. There would be fewer wars if everyone was of the same social and economic class. There would be fewer wars if everyone came from the same territory/nation. There would be fewer wars if everyone was exactly the same. People war over religion because it's what differentiates them from another, and to religious people, is likely the most significant difference. The same goes with race and any difference that we can distinguish between groups of people. A great example of how easy it is to pin two groups of people against each other for no reason other than a physical difference is the blue eyes experiment performed by Jane Elliot, an Elementary school teacher. Just because people can't always accept differences between each other doesn't make those differences bad.  

Posted by PigParty

I don't know if this was meant to portray religion as a bad thing, but I know some people would agree with that portrayal so I'd like to say something about that.

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Regardless of whether or not it's a good argument, it's a true statement. Just like saying there would be less wars if everyone looked and acted exactly the same -- it's not gonna happen, but the statement is true.

Either way, I researched my own argument and discovered how naïve my comment was.  

god isnt real