Posted by Dusty

lol watching all the event guilds cheating on the live stream telling each other the answers for scribble and you wonder why **** like this occurs.

No you don't enjoy events, you're hat chasers--if you enjoyed the events you wouldn't cheat.

^^^

also, based on my experience its still having fun to me participating in events even if you've already the prize at least you enjoyed finding warpers with your friends and guildmates, tbh we dont need to enter a warper if we really need fun and enjoyments, for me helping players or friends who dont have those hats are really fun to me because you can gave them a smile for having those prizes.  

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

Using the same logic, you could say during the 1k hat days people were hat chasers for making guilds back to back with the same friends and getting 1000 hours nonstop.

That's exactly what they were doing and why it was stopped.

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

People help each other in sumo as well. Would you call that cheating?

Not really comparable events. I'd say it probably isn't as fun, but at the very least still requires some skill from all involved. Giving each other the answers over Discord? Not so much. There is no excuse for what happened during that game of scribble.

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

But like many of you have failed to realize, we DO participate in events simply because we enjoy them. I'm sorry that you people see us in a negative light but I really do participate in admin events because I find it to be one of the few fun activities on graal.

You know who else enjoys participating in events? Most of the playerbase.

Do you also know what happened after that game of scribble? We decided to only host scribble via queue. So again, like it's been mentioned time and time again the only people ruining anything are yourselves.  

Speaking of sumo.. I remembered a boy player who used alt account while we are in the final round of the match and he paused his alt account to make a "shield block" while me trying hard to hit him, but yeah i failed to hit him and that's not FAIR play anymore because he won for cheating instead of "skill" which is not "fun" and "enjoying" for players who will encounter this situation that i've been experienced, but now I think its fair now because of new warper system.  

Posted by Dusty

That's exactly what they were doing and why it was stopped.

Not really comparable events. I'd say it probably isn't as fun, but at the very least still requires some skill from all involved. Giving each other the answers over Discord? Not so much. There is no excuse for what happened during that game of scribble.

You know who else enjoys participating in events? Most of the playerbase.

Do you also know what happened after that game of scribble? We decided to only host scribble via queue. So again, like it's been mentioned time and time again the only people ruining anything are yourselves.

Sumo does not require skill when you have 15-20 people from an event guild in a sumo event. Goodluck to anyone that doesn't have any friends with them to help. It may not be cheating in the same sense as scribble but I would still say it provides an unfair advantage to event guilds. Only way I see this issue being resolved is if there's an established set of rules for each event on what to do and what not to do.

Also, I agree that scribble should only be a queue event. Like I mentioned, it can be too easily abused and people will help each other as they do in sumo. I do not condone it and I do regret my actions in that specific scribble that I was in but other people would have done the same in the future so making it a queue only event is for the best.

And while we're mentioning cheating, I think the most obvious blatant cheating in events is when people pause. There is nonstop people in spider pit who pause in order to avoid damage for a set amount of time or for the entire event itself. This also happens in sumo like tensor mentioned. It completely ruins the event with no skill involved and has been an issue for awhile now and goes completely ignored by admins when it happens. Yes, cheating by helping each other is not right but allowing people to do something even worse, by pausing and getting a free win, is even worse.  

The only event that requires skill is free4all

I know it’s not what the thread is about, but wanted to point that out with all this “skill” talk  

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

Sumo does not require skill when you have 15-20 people from an event guild in a sumo event. Goodluck to anyone that doesn't have any friends with them to help. It may not be cheating in the same sense as scribble but I would still say it provides an unfair advantage to event guilds.

Glad you can agree, event guilds do nothing but drain the fun out of all events.

All the event guilds keep saying they want to play events for fun but instead of actually enjoying the events as they're designed all they do is undermine and exploit the system at any and all possible chances to get a hat.

If event guilds were upfront about why they're doing it then fine, but I'm tired of hearing everyone say they want to just have fun and play events when they strip all the fun out of the events just to get a hat they already own 10 recolors of and then another 10 on their alt they also use to exploit the system.

If the fun is finding the door then congrats you can still find the door even if you can't enter it.  

Posted by Dusty

Glad you can agree, event guilds do nothing but drain the fun out of all events.

All the event guilds keep saying they want to play events for fun but instead of actually enjoying the events as they're designed all they do is undermine and exploit the system at any and all possible chances to get a hat.

If event guilds were upfront about why they're doing it then fine, but I'm tired of hearing everyone say they want to just have fun and play events when they strip all the fun out of the events just to get a hat they already own 10 recolors of and then another 10 on their alt they also use to exploit the system.

If the fun is finding the door then congrats you can still find the door even if you can't enter it.

I've talked with other eventers and they tell me they enjoy the aspect of collecting hats. What would you say to that?

Also, nice to know you're ignoring what I said about people pausing in events and getting free wins. When will this be fixed?

Also to goat, the only event that does not require skill in the usual practical sense is chance and cliff climber at the end.  

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

I've talked with other eventers and they tell me they enjoy the aspect of collecting hats. What would you say to that?

Events are not meant as hat factories for a handful of players.

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

Also, nice to know you're ignoring what I said about people pausing in events and getting free wins. When will this be fixed?

We're working on it but we're also scared the players who pause will make an angry post saying to change it back as we've ruined events for them.  

dusty: "we're also scared the players who pause will make an angry post saying to change it back as we've ruined events for them"



(Srry reply to post doesn't work on my mobile)  

Dusty:
“Glad you can agree, event guilds do nothing but drain the fun out of all events.

All the event guilds keep saying they want to play events for fun but instead of actually enjoying the events as they're designed all they do is undermine and exploit the system at any and all possible chances to get a hat.

If event guilds were upfront about why they're doing it then fine, but I'm tired of hearing everyone say they want to just have fun and play events when they strip all the fun out of the events just to get a hat they already own 10 recolors of and then another 10 on their alt they also use to exploit the system.

If the fun is finding the door then congrats you can still find the door even if you can't enter it.”

Exactly! I just couldn’t take it anymore either too, so I got myself fired by being inappropriate. Like, nothing was being done about the same players winning over and over at the time when i was admin, which was like years ago. That second picture wasn't taken by me. That was the players that did anything to exploit the system. It was fun for them to get admins fired at any way possible too. Anyways, love you Dusty. Thanks for all the work you do.  

Posted by Dusty

Events are not meant as hat factories for a handful of players.

We're working on it but we're also scared the players who pause will make an angry post saying to change it back as we've ruined events for them.

So you're against people collecting hats then? So once those people reach a certain number of event hats, they should entirely stop participating in admin events and essentially quit the game if that's all they've enjoyed doing on Classic?

And you're working on it the same way you're working on the NGS for the past 4 or more years or maybe even Graal 3D? I've noticed it's a trend for the devs to implement solutions to problems that most of the player base don't agree with (excluding the new event system) for valid reasons instead of focusing on the gameplay content aspect of Classic itself. Good example was the rework of the pk system and it's effects on towering pk. Not saying that fixing bugs and glitches is a bad thing but why does it take half a decade to implement new gameplay content into the game such as NGS? What happened to the idea of completing certain activities on graal to obtain 'guild points' to use in a shop?  

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

So you're against people collecting hats then? So once those people reach a certain number of event hats, they should entirely stop participating in admin events and essentially quit the game if that's all they've enjoyed doing on Classic?

If they do so at the expense of nearly the entire rest of the playerbase? Sure. A small group of players nearly entirely monopolize the entire event system(with questionable methods, might I add).

Posted by Hiph0pÇhaøs

And you're working on it the same way you're working on the NGS for the past 4 or more years or maybe even Graal 3D? I've noticed it's a trend for the devs to implement solutions to problems that most of the player base don't agree with (excluding the new event system) for valid reasons instead of focusing on the gameplay content aspect of Classic itself. Good example was the rework of the pk system and it's effects on towering pk. Not saying that fixing bugs and glitches is a bad thing but why does it take half a decade to implement new gameplay content into the game such as NGS? What happened to the idea of completing certain activities on graal to obtain 'guild points' to use in a shop?

So you want me to fix these things then try to rip on me because I'm not doing all these other things?

Anyways I'mma stop you right there because you are talking about things that you don't know anything about.  

To queue or not to queue, that is the question.

Currently I'm not paying 150 g to compete in carnival games that have unfairly stacked levels (like water balloon, soccer) , broken controls (FFA, basketball), issues with lag causing the game to "steal" and easy win from you (cliff climber, ctf), or allow hackers to win without making any effort (bush race, ice race, hidden paths). Now and then I'll play for a laugh but with no belief I'll win. Not a bit.  

Posted by Dusty

If they do so at the expense of nearly the entire rest of the playerbase? Sure. A small group of players nearly entirely monopolize the entire event system(with questionable methods, might I add).


So you want me to fix these things then try to rip on me because I'm not doing all these other things?

Anyways I'mma stop you right there because you are talking about things that you don't know anything about.

I had no intention of ripping on anyone. Anything that I've said has not been meant to attack anyone either. I asked a genuine question that others have had and that's been asked in the past with no clear answer. I appreciate you and the other devs for putting in the work and fixing things as well as adding in new things such as the auction.

However, you're right about me not knowing anything about it though. NGS hasn't been clarified on what exactly it will be or when it will fully release. I'm just asking that question from a player's perspective who is genuinely interested in the game and wondering when that content will release.

I'm pretty much done with my rant. I apologize to anyone who disagreed with my opinion and thought I may have come off as rude. I just wanted to voice the concerns of a very small playerbase on Classic.  

Posted by 4-Lom

To queue or not to queue, that is the question.

Currently I'm not paying 150 g to compete in carnival games that have unfairly stacked levels (like water balloon, soccer) , broken controls (FFA, basketball), issues with lag causing the game to "steal" and easy win from you (cliff climber, ctf), or allow hackers to win without making any effort (bush race, ice race, hidden paths). Now and then I'll play for a laugh but with no belief I'll win. Not a bit.

My last account was 50% pk and 50% carnival events. I usually just joined FFA, water ballon, and cliff climber. I had no trouble winning the events I joined due to the issues you mentioned.