So the kids not even old enough to own a gun and got his hands on a gun we do not know the origin of. Can't really have any discussion about gun control when we don't know the facts.  

Posted by Sawyer

So the kids not even old enough to own a gun and got his hands on a gun we do not know the origin of. Can't really have any discussion about gun control when we don't know the facts.

... What?

Are we only supposed to debate gun control after a crisis happens and we get all the evidence?  

I'd say to just ban guns. Idk how children are getting guns but this needs to change.  

Posted by Sawyer

So the kids not even old enough to own a gun and got his hands on a gun we do not know the origin of. Can't really have any discussion about gun control when we don't know the facts.

We do know how he got the guns… He stole them from his dad, who obtained them legally. He used a shotgun and a .38, so the "MUH AR-15" argument that most people usually default to doesn't work here. He was also allowed to walk into a classroom, wearing a trenchcoat with communist and Nazi symbols on it, with no one finding that strange.

Posted by MJ4

I'd say to just ban guns. Idk how children are getting guns but this needs to change.

How do you ban guns though? You mean to make them illegal? What happens to all of the guns that are currently in circulation? When you make something illegal, it's only as impactful as the society around it allows it to be: our culture is very desensitized and violent, and criminals literally don't care what is or isn't illegal (because they're criminals). Murder being illegal didn't stop this kid.

It's a cultural issue, mental health issue, parenting/responsibility issue, and, in the case of guns that fire at a rate that no human needs to be allowed to, a gun issue.  

Posted by MJ4

I'd say to just ban guns. Idk how children are getting guns but this needs to change.

People can also get murdered with rocks if you stone them to death damn does this mean we have to ban rocks too now or how about we ban knives as well and a cooking pan too! Lots of things can be used as a weapon just saying banning guns will just make the problem worse.  

My Solution: Torture any person that shoots up a school on live tv and broadcast it to every school in america. Public executions fix problems theres a reason why we had executions. It was to scare people from breaking the law. Now im no fan of ruling people by fear but it works if society says its acceptable.

Another Solution: Make schools secure as ****. I understand that we dont want kids going to prison for 12 years of their life but schools need to be designed for teaching kids safely. I dont understand why we have thousands of guards protecting paper that has $ on it but not our children.

There only needs to be 1-2 GUARDED entrances to schools. (Do you know how many kids have died from a school fire in USA? 0 )

No more backpacks. (we spend so much money on making schools cute and look nice with flowers how about we find a solution from having kids bringing bags to school this would also have to get rid of homework which facts show only hurts kids. Send children to school 8 hours a day and you give them 4 hours of homework? Sounds like we need better teachers.)

More Police (Not only would a bigger police presence in schools be good for communities and cops to get along better but it keeps kids safe. Cops need to be armed with whichever they prefer a AR or a handgun at all times.)

Just my view on it
Ban my guns crono and try to take them its not happening and only more will die to another civil war you'd be starting.  

Posted by TomatoPanda

My Solution: Torture any person that shoots up a school on live tv and broadcast it to every school in america. Public executions fix problems theres a reason why we had executions. It was to scare people from breaking the law. Now im no fan of ruling people by fear but it works if society says its acceptable.

Another Solution: Make schools secure as ****. I understand that we dont want kids going to prison for 12 years of their life but schools need to be designed for teaching kids safely. I dont understand why we have thousands of guards protecting paper that has $ on it but not our children.

There only needs to be 1-2 GUARDED entrances to schools. (Do you know how many kids have died from a school fire in USA? 0 )

No more backpacks. (we spend so much money on making schools cute and look nice with flowers how about we find a solution from having kids bringing bags to school this would also have to get rid of homework which facts show only hurts kids. Send children to school 8 hours a day and you give them 4 hours of homework? Sounds like we need better teachers.)

More Police (Not only would a bigger police presence in schools be good for communities and cops to get along better but it keeps kids safe. Cops need to be armed with whichever they prefer a AR or a handgun at all times.)

Just my view on it
Ban my guns crono and try to take them its not happening and only more will die to another civil war you'd be starting.

I actually agree with most of that if not all of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjhWf-9x7GM  

I like how people here are using the excuse "don't blame gun law because he wasn't old enough to own one" but if there was a no gun law, there wouldn't have been a gun he could steal.  

Posted by TomatoPanda

My Solution: Torture any person that shoots up a school on live tv and broadcast it to every school in america. Public executions fix problems theres a reason why we had executions. It was to scare people from breaking the law. Now im no fan of ruling people by fear but it works if society says.

Yeah because we should all return to the golden age of executions, thats how we evolve as a species. Its this sort of violent mentality that gives birth to situations like this. If you punish people like this as an act of revenge then you can no longer call yourself above them. Even if this system was put into place they would just shoot themselves before they were caught, If anything the situation would worsen. And I don't think you realise just how much power you give to a government when you say public torture is publicly acceptable.

I think the main place we should be looking is how we should cover these events in the media. The coverage will always give birth to the next one but obviously we can't just ignore these events. I'm not gonna stand here and pretend Iv'e got the big solution, but I do believe this should be the world area of focus as it is the most subject to change.  

Posted by Ronin

I like how people here are using the excuse "don't blame gun law because he wasn't old enough to own one" but if there was a no gun law, there wouldn't have been a gun he could steal.

It's too late to have a No gun law in America. Guns are LITERALLY probably in about every house, And about everywhere. I even see guns just laying on the ground when hunting. They are everywhere. There is even guns that just got thrown in the river and guns that are buried around. America is basically a safe-haven for guns at this point.and if you banned guns the only people who would hand over guns are the good people. And all the bad people who obviously don't obey the law won't.

Posted by MJ4

I'd say to just ban guns. Idk how children are getting guns but this needs to change.

Like I said in the other reply. I don't think people realize that there is literally thousands upon thousands upon literal tens of thousands of guns in the USA, I'm surprised more kids AREN'T getting ahold of guns. And it's not like criminals who have evil intentions will just give their guns away.  

Im gonna homeschool my child wen i grow up  

For East Asia, specifically South Korea and Japan who banned guns for anyone, but probably the bodyguards for politicians. They have very low gun violence, if not at all. To the point where robbers attempt BB-Guns to rob banks so many times in the history.
^But they have high rating of knife murdering, random "don't ask" / lure murders etc.

But America, I'd say it's definitely different. I mean banning it will eventually reduce to some degree, but (legal/illegal)guns are way too wide-spread already. most importantly, in American people's mentality has like "PROTECT YOURSELVES" as slogan. If someone really comes out with the ultimate solution for guns, I'd definitely support them. So far, nothing we can do. This is why, bronx kids are ordered by parents to come home and play video games, rather than hang out outside, cause it's so easy to get involved with gangs/guns/fights even in hs.  

Posted by Ronin

I like how people here are using the excuse "don't blame gun law because he wasn't old enough to own one" but if there was a no gun law, there wouldn't have been a gun he could steal.

If there was a "no gun law", what would happen to the estimated 360 million firearms in circulation through out the United States, how do you go about collecting them and potentially the millions of others that have been illegally produced or smuggled into the country?  

Posted by Ronin

I like how people here are using the excuse "don't blame gun law because he wasn't old enough to own one" but if there was a no gun law, there wouldn't have been a gun he could steal.

so you're saying if America got rid of all the guns they have it would make the problem easier?

Posted by Hadzz

Yeah because we should all return to the golden age of executions, thats how we evolve as a species. Its this sort of violent mentality that gives birth to situations like this. If you punish people like this as an act of revenge then you can no longer call yourself above them. Even if this system was put into place they would just shoot themselves before they were caught, If anything the situation would worsen. And I don't think you realise just how much power you give to a government when you say public torture is publicly acceptable.

I think the main place we should be looking is how we should cover these events in the media. The coverage will always give birth to the next one but obviously we can't just ignore these events. I'm not gonna stand here and pretend Iv'e got the big solution, but I do believe this should be the world area of focus as it is the most subject to change.

Tomato has a point if the shooter killed people why can't he be executed or tortured after all they do deserve it China does not have a drug problem anymore because they have the death penalty in place I think that's what every country needs tbh so this doesn't happen again.

Posted by Rusix

It's too late to have a No gun law in America. Guns are LITERALLY probably in about every house, And about everywhere. I even see guns just laying on the ground when hunting. They are everywhere. There is even guns that just got thrown in the river and guns that are buried around. America is basically a safe-haven for guns at this point.and if you banned guns the only people who would hand over guns are the good people. And all the bad people who obviously don't obey the law won't.



Like I said in the other reply. I don't think people realize that there is literally thousands upon thousands upon literal tens of thousands of guns in the USA, I'm surprised more kids AREN'T getting ahold of guns. And it's not like criminals who have evil intentions will just give their guns away.

If people aren't too happy with 2nd amendment then they should leave U.S.A no other country has the 2nd amendment.  

In my opinion it's not about guns or weapons. People just need to treat people better.

When someone hits that breaking point they will use anything they have to cause the damage they want. Even it is rocks or gasoline