Posted by Macbeth

Rusix, the only reason he’s getting triggered by your statements is because he is an ifiler. Yes, there are some very important things in this game.
Heck, I even got into trouble a few years back for ifiling and editing heads. But because of my stupidity I buckled down and started practicing my own graphics. The lack of stealing or being able to steal would inhibit laziness and encourage creativity.

I actually figured he was an ifiler shortly after my last post lmao, I searched his name Sullivan in game. Nothing but military people. And military people basically got the rep of Ifiling. Also I'm glad to hear you're doing your own GFX! I like the idea of people creating their own things.  

Nothing can ever be done about this.
Even if they'd encrypt graphic files somehow there would still always be ways to extract them from the game.  

To clarify: Yes, i have ifiled ****. Yes. I uploaded Macbeth's head to mock him, as a joke. I didn't realize he would take it harder than a wedding ****.
(I have been waiting quite awhile for you to ruin my rep on the forums mac, try harder pls.)

Posted by Rusix

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You know what else kills creativity? A game that has content.  

Posted by Eugeen

Nothing can ever be done about this.
Even if they'd encrypt graphic files somehow there would still always be ways to extract them from the game.

But methods can still be put in place to make things much harder to get. Securing files so players can't get them has been around in games for years. Many methods are extremely successful. Even if they aren't like Graal's heads and bodies so to speak. They can still be applied to them

Posted by Perseus

To clarify: Yes, i have ifiled ****. Yes. I uploaded Macbeth's head to mock him, as a joke. I didn't realize he would take it harder than a wedding ****.
(I have been waiting quite awhile for you to ruin my rep on the forums mac, try harder pls.)



You know what else kills creativity? A game that has content.

So you admit to ifiling, No wonder why you don't want anything done about it because you benefit from stealing other people's work. You don't even have to create a single thing, Just steal something and maybe if you're feeling it possibly make a few edits to it.speak about people having to leech off someone.  

Posted by Rusix

But methods can still be put in place to make things much harder to get. Securing files so players can't get them has been around in games for years. Many methods are extremely successful. Even if they aren't like Graal's heads and bodies so to speak. They can still be applied to them

The only way this would be possible would be changing the way that Graal's engine works. Developers do not even have access to the client's source code nor would they be able to release an update like that. You would have to speak with Unixmad or some other developer responsible for writing the actual client. Graal has been this way since it's inception and I do not see it changing anytime soon especially for something as small and essentially pointless as this.  

Posted by Rusix

But methods can still be put in place to make things much harder to get. Securing files so players can't get them has been around in games for years. Many methods are extremely successful. Even if they aren't like Graal's heads and bodies so to speak. They can still be applied to them



So you admit to ifiling, No wonder why you don't want anything done about it because you benefit from stealing other people's work. You don't even have to create a single thing, Just steal something and maybe if you're feeling it possibly make a few edits to it.speak about people having to leech off someone.

Yes. I ifile.

I don't want anything done about it because there are better things to work on. If the devs made something happen without cutting into actual time they could spend making content, I'd be thrilled.

If you look at my profile you could clearly see I'm too cheap for customs, and if I did get them I would just use the default noob body and head and go from there, I'm highly doubting you'll see me running around in an edited hoodie with faux fur on the collar.

The only times I have really intended to ifile things was to get the new castle tileset to play with it in the editor (which isnt unreasonable tbh.), and the occasional time I get the original version of a shield I made from scratch to work on it some more.

Any "Oh u steal evry1s graphix and claim them as ur own" idea is quite false. I much prefer to make my own **** than rip someone else's. Ask anyone. It may not look fantastic, but it's mine.

Also, before you take anything Macbeth says at face value, you should ask some well known people around the trainstation how he really is. That's not even me trying to cover up him shedding light on me ifiling.  

Posted by Rusix

But methods can still be put in place to make things much harder to get. Securing files so players can't get them has been around in games for years. Many methods are extremely successful. Even if they aren't like Graal's heads and bodies so to speak. They can still be applied to them

There is literally no point in bothering to make them harder to get because they’ll be taken anyways no matter what they try  

Posted by Eugeen

There is literally no point in bothering to make them harder to get because they’ll be taken anyways no matter what they try

Not exactly, It is more common to ifile on android devices. since you don't even have to root it or anything. No idea if it is possible to ifile from PC. But if you removed the check box option on mobile devices for it to save files to your device, It would then become extremely more difficult to do. Infact i can't even name a way they could get the file on mobile since mobile devices are more limited to what they can do. Might be possible through some PC method not 100% sure, But removing the ability to save them doesn't hurt anything really. The only argument i seen against it is data, But i personally have played graal on data for months without even checking the box, It isn't really data consuming at all  

Posted by Rusix

Not exactly, It is more common to ifile on android devices. since you don't even have to root it or anything. No idea if it is possible to ifile from PC. But if you removed the check box option on mobile devices for it to save files to your device, It would then become extremely more difficult to do. Infact i can't even name a way they could get the file on mobile since mobile devices are more limited to what they can do. Might be possible through some PC method not 100% sure, But removing the ability to save them doesn't hurt anything really. The only argument i seen against it is data, But i personally have played graal on data for months without even checking the box, It isn't really data consuming at all

On google chrome you can just open the developer tools and pick all uploads out of the network tab after you go to a specific persons profile
If you want to try even harder you can just check temporary cache files or download a tool that can monitor your network to intercept the files

What I’m saying though is that there is no point in trying to make uploads harder to get.
It’s how classic makes a lot of its money, if it wasn’t for stealing uploads classic would be missing out on a lot of its potential income so it’s a bad move for their game to begin with  

Posted by Rusix

. Nothing but military people. And military people basically got the rep of Ifiling.

Rusix. I know you aren't bad and you are just pointing fingers blindly and or just calling out military. But I would appreciate if you listen to what I have to say on such matter.

First of all, Military people do not really ifile. I mean there are parts where some of the wannabe militaries or some of the just 10 year old ran militaries wish to use random military files. But your more modern advance ones, in game. For Example... the Old Republic or old state used there on created body. If not then the old state got it somewhere back in 09' which was before most people's time on graal.

Second of All, militaries have a rep of being annoying. If anything they get their heads from the depot or make them on their own, example macbeth, Kevlar, Auel. I mean if you honestly think about it and you would have had to be in militaries at one point...not one of those idiots or somewhat intelligent people know how to ifile...with an exception of your military hackers.


Finally, my point is military people aren't known for their rep of ifiing their reputation of being annoying/nuisance. and that they do not ifile (95% of them don't).  

Posted by Reggie*

Rusix. I know you aren't bad and you are just pointing fingers blindly and or just calling out military. But I would appreciate if you listen to what I have to say on such matter.

First of all, Military people do not really ifile. I mean there are parts where some of the wannabe militaries or some of the just 10 year old ran militaries wish to use random military files. But your more modern advance ones, in game. For Example... the Old Republic or old state used there on created body. If not then the old state got it somewhere back in 09' which was before most people's time on graal.

Second of All, militaries have a rep of being annoying. If anything they get their heads from the depot or make them on their own, example macbeth, Kevlar, Auel. I mean if you honestly think about it and you would have had to be in militaries at one point...not one of those idiots or somewhat intelligent people know how to ifile...with an exception of your military hackers.


Finally, my point is military people aren't known for their rep of ifiing their reputation of being annoying/nuisance. and that they do not ifile (95% of them don't).

I'm not sure if you are familar with being inside them, But a lot more ifile than you think. When I was in Sehzan's cringe military almost everyone ifiled, Literally they all went on like a ifile spree on kik a few times. whatever military auel was in also had a crap ton of ifilers. Sarovia(Sorry if I spelled it wrong i don't bother keeping up with the names of these militaries) but they also did.

Not saying every military person ifiles, But a lot more do than you may think. Unless that changed within the year I was helping in the cringe military guilds which i feel is unlikely. They basically would get a rep for both ifiling and being annoying. Hell Octane literally even personally asked me to ifile for him multiple times

Posted by Eugeen

On google chrome you can just open the developer tools and pick all uploads out of the network tab after you go to a specific persons profile
If you want to try even harder you can just check temporary cache files or download a tool that can monitor your network to intercept the files

What I’m saying though is that there is no point in trying to make uploads harder to get.
It’s how classic makes a lot of its money, if it wasn’t for stealing uploads classic would be missing out on a lot of its potential income so it’s a bad move for their game to begin with

Classic would probably still make money either way, it anything I'd honestly say there wouldn't be a difference. If the ability to remove ifilers happened. You'd get more people willing to do GFX, which in terms makes more GFX people which makes more uploads, As well as it gives a point to have your own GFX site and so on.which would just result in more people uploading things  

Posted by Perseus

Yes. I ifile.
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Any "Oh u steal evry1s graphix and claim them as ur own" idea is quite false. I much prefer to make my own **** than rip someone else's. Ask anyone. It may not look fantastic, but it's mine.

Also, before you take anything Macbeth says at face value, you should ask some well known people around the trainstation how he really is. That's not even me trying to cover up him shedding light on me ifiling.

So let me get this straight. You are averting attention from you ifiling, by telling people to talk to militarists? And then try to take my credibility without any substantial evidence? Nice man. Should definitely listen to you. Appears that you’re doing exactly what you’re saying you’re not. Just trying to hide the fact that you, and most other militarists tend to rip off of other players. Even your-so-precious “state” body is a simple edit off of a detective body found on playerworlds.  

Im gonna try to argue while keeping this thread on topic, watch and be amazed.

Posted by Rusix

Classic would probably still make money either way, it anything I'd honestly say there wouldn't be a difference. If the ability to remove ifilers happened. You'd get more people willing to do GFX, which in terms makes more GFX people which makes more uploads, As well as it gives a point to have your own GFX site and so on.which would just result in more people uploading things

How many of www.senpaigraalgraphics.wordpress.com sites have completely original content, that they haven't acquired using sly methods? A small fraction at this point in time. If you take swiping other people's customs out of the equation, how many of those sites are going to say "Oh, no big deal. I'll just make my own graphics from scratch." ^ On topic @adiams ^

Posted by Macbeth

So let me get this straight. You are averting attention from you ifiling, by telling people to talk to militarists? And then try to take my credibility without any substantial evidence? Nice man. Should definitely listen to you. Appears that you’re doing exactly what you’re saying you’re not. Just trying to hide the fact that you, and most other militarists tend to rip off of other players. Even your-so-precious “state” body is a simple edit off of a detective body found on playerworlds.

Actually, no. I can't say I've ever looked at the "state" body and thought; "hmmm how can I edit this??" I honestly can't count high enough to recall all of the times I have berated someone for recoloring the "state" body. And, no. I don't recall me ripping off other player's designs, other than a shield I recently made from scratch using CDAT's sideshield perspective, I will say they look similar.

Also, heres me not averting attention from me ifiling.
I ifile. I was simply warning everyone how conniving you are when someone does something to offend you.

I ifile.  

Posted by Jarace

What do you mean by "file swap"? If you are referring to swapping out a hat file with, say, a different hat file - it would be completely pointless. That sort of thing only shows up on the client's side, so nobody else would know.

Forcing players to download the files temporarily every time they logged in would be a dreadful idea - I'd pity anyone with a data cap.

I've only ever heard you talk about Era protecting their files. I'm not confident that this exists the way you say it does, but maybe Era staff can shed some light on the subject. As far as I know, all the Graal apps have some sort of auto-ban triggered when you edit certain files. Could this be what you are referring to?

One last question for you - what issues do you think preventing file access will actually solve? It might make it more difficult to steal customs, but even if the files are downloaded temporarily I'm sure there would be a way to obtain them.

Era's file protections exist because of Gun Statistics, etc. If they did not exist a player could paste the Gani Code of the Shipka over the Starter Pistols and it would therefore appear to all online players around them that the player was holding a "Shipka". It is to prevent people faking gun graphics etc. Era has alot of skins and graphics to guns. Era also protects its files from being modified because the mobile application uses them to function properly, if one could modify the coding of the external functioning files they could engineer the app to perform unwanted, unfair, proceedings.

Also note, Era scans the user device for Malicious Applications like Purchase Fakers and Cheat Engine, Players could use Cheat Engine to change "PlayerFreeze" to Equal Zero, Giving them pretty much the fastest fire rate in the game(while moving). The server does a file check everytime you log in and matches them with the files on the server. If it finds any user modifications the player is auto-jailed for 2 weeks. Era does NOT file check player uploads, hats, heads, or shields. These are Cache Files and cannot modify or disrupt opposing Players gameplay whatsoever.

This information was supplied to me 2 years ago when I quesioned a player relations admin about it, however unfortunately they no longer are around. Hope I answered your curiosities Jarace^^

If you edit Player Game mechanic files like the Graal ID cache file(for server refrence) you will only cause yourself extreme problems.

Posted by Saeed

I don’t really know much about ifiling and how it works etc. But I do know that it’s frustrating for the original creator of the head/body. The moment you wear a nice head, body or shield everybody then Ifiles it.
As I said I really have no clue how this works nor created any graphics files in the past. However, this is what I personally suggest: When you ask an admin to refund someone’s head because you’re the original creator and don’t know want anyone else to use it, admins refuse to refund it for whatever reason. Is it because there is no proof on who is the original creator? Why don’t you guys have a system that saves the first uploader of the head as the original creator. So, if this original uploader found someone else who ifiled his head and has it on, he can just report him and get hishead refunded. After the admins doubled check who is the original creator using that system.

I just find it un-acceptable for admins to not get involved when it comes to players ifiling heads. Unless if there is a valid reason apart from the possible one I said above.

The only way to be protected against ifilers is become a master graphics artist and apply for gfx admin. Case Solved, Staff heads are not allowed to be edited and uploaded by players.

Posted by Rusix

I also don't think the data issue is really much of a concern. Mainly because one heads and bodies aren't really that big of a file to download. They are typically under 30kb usually and sometimes are infact 1 or 2 kb in size for most heads. Unless you downloaded every single head that exist in graal, I don't think there would be much of a difference. I mean in a months time you may get to 50-70 MB used in your data. Maybe more but i don't see such thing being an issue or data being very high, Especially since most people seem to play at the comfort of their own home using Wifi. If you're playing graal all day on cellular data, you probably would have unlimited data.

Tell that to my old rooted android phone, My nandroid backups were over 50000 files all because the external "levels folder" was 600mb and had 7000 head and 10000 bodies. and 5000 shields. and kept getting included in graals backup. making it a 1gb app

Posted by Rusix

Personally think that preventing file access would make it impossible to get the files or at least make it far more difficult to get these files. And possibly other content which can benefit them or give them an advantage in certain ways. Like Saeed said, People get frustrated when people spend hours to create customs and can't be assured that what they made can't be stolen. If you don't check the box in your profile that allows you to download files from the game. It won't save to your device, which means you can't really ifile what isn't saved, I'm not aware of how you could possibly get around that. Or force graal to save files.

Cache Files is an option for High End devices that have the i/o capability to just read from the Internal Storage and load the graphics and images into RAM instead of constantly downloading all the uploads to your RAM and deleting them when the app is closed, and repeating this when you login again.

Also this could pretty much be fixed by just having graal save the files into /system/app/data (application Data) instead of the users external .android folder. then only Rooted Users would be able to ifile(Not many 14 year olds know how to jailbreak their devices). But people would hate that since the app would take up Imense Amounts of storage and they'd have to "Clear all Data" every once in a while instead of just deleting the "Levels folder" which is 10x easier because if you clear data from the phone settings instead you'll have to reidentify everything again.

Sorry, Im not an IOS User so don't comment on this if you use apple, Thanks!
I do not understand or comprehend the Apple Device file system, all I know is you must be Jailbroken to ifile on IOS, and not on Android. End of Discussion.

Posted by Rusix

I think you're a overexaggeting the data issue, I used to play on mobile data a lot on graal, About 4 hours daily after work throughout the month, Graal usually only took 230 mb sometimes close or over 300 mb but that was rarely, and I was on a 2gb a month plan. I have no idea how you're coming to 500 MB in 15 minutes. It doesn't seem really realistic at all, I've been the actual person who played graal a lot on data so I do personally know lol. Unless you purposely try to do things to cost more data it shouldn't. Graal files are extremely small. You'll likely cause more data usage searching on the web all day on images.

Regardless of how big the issue is, It is still an issue. You don't ignore an issue just because it apparently is small (Which personally I think it's a big issue since like I stated such thing can allow you to file swap to harass people like I stated above with the girl, Steal others hard work which is extremely common and more of that isn't a big issue I really don't know how you come to that conclusion). Regardless It still needs fixed, And there is plenty of ways to fix such an issue. Saying it's a small issue and shouldn't be fixed would also be extremely hypocritical of graal because graal is even willing to fix small issues like when you log off and log back into a off map area, Even if you can't do anything there.

Who cares, If you didn't clear your cache files graal would eventually stop taking too much mobile data, Let the storage it takes up persist and your mobile data will only be taken up by actual connection time and from time to time a new image someone uploaded. You'd have all the gani's and audio already in cache.

Posted by Macbeth

Rusix, the only reason he’s getting triggered by your statements is because he is an ifiler. Yes, there are some very important things in this game.
Heck, I even got into trouble a few years back for ifiling and editing heads. But because of my stupidity I buckled down and started practicing my own graphics. The lack of stealing or being able to steal would inhibit laziness and encourage creativity.

Even if this was restricted, Android Users would just become an "Underground". You would create a shady business in graal of ifiling uploads for people in exchange for gralats lol. I used to get Unlimited Free Edits from an artist just for getting her whatever head she desired.  

Bloody hell m8