And there's also the fact that there are actually people who would spend approximately 43 days of their lives on an online game for a worthless virtual hat.  

Posted by Psycher!

And there's also the fact that there are actually people who would spend approximately 43 days of their lives on an online game for a worthless virtual hat.

Who cares? If they want to spend time getting a hat so be it. Just don't abuse the system.  

actually they are losing money to tower guilds.


big tower guild that abuse the guild functions make it more difficult for newer guilds that are made as they were intended, for your friends, and for fun. thus, they make it so these newer players lose interest in guilds and can lead to them quitting, plus, big "noob recruiting guilds" that recruit new players, then kick them, can put off players because its pretty douchebaggy to them that their first guild they are invited to ends up ordering them around and kicking them when they log off.

all these things can make newer players stop playing, and new players are the most profitable players, they have houses, guild houses, customization, slots pack, lanterns, draisines, horses, plus all those hats and other things to buy, which means they would be more likely to purchase gralat packs to pay for these things.

basically, those guilds dont deserve anything, and its not really a problem if they quit, because only a small ammount of the higher up members of the guild actually get the hat, if you are claiming people quit over not getting a guild hat, then that means all those helpers that get kicked every time and dont get the hat have been quitting,which is taking away players more than it would if all the current hat chasers quit, so either way stopping these guilds would help, not hurt the playercount.


if staff put an end to it, i doubt anything will really happen, as ive proved more than anyone, that no one can really get players to riot in a way that actually works, as the only way you can do something to affect stefans decision is stop buying gralat packs, as ive shown before, thats not going to work when the playerbase has so many kids with their parents creditcards on the account, and will run away when staff members try the blatant tactic of having a event RIGHT NEAR the place the riot is taking place. (I loss faith in the players everytime i see that actually work)

tldr: players cant do **** in this games current set up. if staff do remove guild hats, nothing will change it.  

How about you just let people buy all the hats and deal with emotes and weapons, like special arrows or maybe even a new weapon like crossbows or flintlocks. All i ever see in this section of graalians is arguing over stupid hats and favoritism.  

Posted by Bubba De Orc

Honestly.. These arguments are going nowhere why the **** would you want to banish the one thing kids no life for. Towering is a big part of Graal just please don't take that away. Once 1k hats are gone. Graal will lose 24% of its populations. If you support 1k hat banishing or increase of the hours, post here cuz I really am eager to read your posts.

If it will keep 24% of all idiots out of Graal I'm up for it.  

Posted by MrSimons

You obviously haven't been to a tower recently, I have seen guilds with filled to the brim with members plus full sub guilds. And no, not tough luck to people who helped. It is ridiculous to think that a guild is recruiting hundreds of members over the time it takes for them to get to 1000 hours and that about 12 of those people get the hat they worked for.

25* a guild that is hat chasing does whatever they can to obtain hat. Fair play imo.  

Posted by Bubba De Orc

25* a guild that is hat chasing does whatever they can to obtain hat. Fair play imo.

Doing whatever you can does not mean its fair play.

The guilds were made for your friends, you are supposed to recruit your friends. The kick is for removing players incase they do something bad, or you no longer wish them to be in your guild, not for everytime they log off.

Guild allies were for seperate guilds to make it do you could "ally" not for "families" or "mega guilds" to get past the 25 member limit.

The hats were supposed to be rewards, not goals or reasons for guilds.  

I've never towered a day in my life, but getting rid of the 1k hats is absolutely absurd  

Posted by Bubba De Orc

25* a guild that is hat chasing does whatever they can to obtain hat. Fair play imo.

Really 25? No, I have been active in a few tower guilds that I helped all the way, 6 in fact. Want to know how many guild hats I have? 1. Yes 1. After helping in 6 different guilds. I'm not the only one either, there were many other player who got nothing for the 1000 hours that they spent loyal to these guilds. Don't say it is fair.

Posted by Crag

I've never towered a day in my life, but getting rid of the 1k hats is absolutely absurd

Absurd? It is a major fix to the game. So many friendships have been broken, fights started. I don't think it is worth it. Not to mention the scoreboard littered with dead guilds made for the purpose of a hat.  

Posted by MrSimons

Really 25? No, I have been active in a few tower guilds that I helped all the way, 6 in fact. Want to know how many guild hats I have? 1. Yes 1. After helping in 6 different guilds. I'm not the only one either, there were many other player who got nothing for the 1000 hours that they spent loyal to these guilds. Don't say it is fair.

Absurd? It is a major fix to the game. So many friendships have been broken, fights started. I don't think it is worth it. Not to mention the scoreboard littered with dead guilds made for the purpose of a hat.

The system meant for guilds to be made of friends who tower for fun, quit your whining if you are a hat monkey who joins guilds to get a hat. That's your own fault for towering from day 1 for a hat and not towering for fun. but I agree with your second post, such as if a guild doesn't get tower time within two weeks of it being on the leaderboard, it gets removed until it gets some tower time.  

Posted by Zen

The system meant for guilds to be made of friends who tower for fun, quit your whining if you are a hat monkey who joins guilds to get a hat. That's your own fault for towering from day 1 for a hat and not towering for fun. but I agree with your second post, such as if a guild doesn't get tower time within two weeks of it being on the leaderboard, it gets removed until it gets some tower time.

Where did I say I joined any of those guilds for hats? Please point it out to me. All of those guilds were guilds I joined because the leaders and members were my "friends".  

Posted by MrSimons

Where did I say I joined any of those guilds for hats? Please point it out to me. All of those guilds were guilds I joined because the leaders and members were my "friends".

You must have pretty ****ty friends who are leaders of guilds you worked your butt off, and you don't recieve the hat.  

Posted by Bubba De Orc

Lol where you going with 25-100. It's usually 10-19 at most.

I can say that's not necessarily true.

When AF1 was still towering we had over 40 people on tag several times at once. A decent portion of the guild was hat chasers, and a lot of people strongly disliked each other; I had to be quite strict and break up a lot of arguments.

Solution? Get rid of 1K hats so people who sincerely enjoy holding towers can actually do so. It really needs to be done.  

The only garuanteed way of receiving a hat: make a close friendship with leader, perms/primes etc. Be active and loyal. That is the one reason why people don't get hats, and blame leader. If the hat limit is 25. Near the end the whole lower class members in the guild will be sought after their activeness.  

Posted by Zen

You must have pretty ****ty friends who are leaders of guilds you worked your butt off, and you don't recieve the hat.

*cough* Queen Kolossal *Cough*