Ok unknown. So this may be of use to tashkin if he didnt screw up his own cover up by claiming its been a rule since day one. So it may be a rule now but it was not clearly stated Anywhere in the universe so obviously this is a cover up... ONCE AGAIN. Suprised? No im playing graal. Where staff can do whatever the fk they want and pull a rule out of their ass to defend themselves after they are exposed to the public.  

Posted by Unknown

This quote allows admins to make up game rules when they seem fit. So essentially the game rules can change and are at the discretion of the highest admin of the server. So this rule allows izones rules to be whatever the manager wants. They also don't have to tell you what they are either. They should but its not required.

There are technically no rules though since there not written down, its all made up and any admin can make up some absurd rule whenever they feel like it and enforce it. A great example is spar boosting in era. Theres no clear line if its legal or not, because it wasn't written down.  

I just want to point out that I did this thread to discuss the abuse thread.

Posted by Unknown

This quote allows admins to make up game rules when they seem fit. So essentially the game rules can change and are at the discretion of the highest admin of the server. So this rule allows izones rules to be whatever the manager wants. They also don't have to tell you what they are either. They should but its not required.

I dont think ownership is ok with their staff making up rules for the purpose of helping out their friends have a better game play experience.

The fact that tash closed the other thread with the excuse of people raging and not getting their facts straight made it seem like he was hiding something. Him closing the thread the way he did was also abuse of his power. I think he thought he was in the official forums where people can close threads just because it discuses something they did wrong.  

Posted by GOAT

I just want to point out that I did this thread to discuss the abuse thread.



I dont think ownership is ok with their staff making up rules for the purpose of helping out their friends have a better game play experience.

The fact that tash closed the other thread with the excuse of people raging and not getting their facts straight made it seem like he was hiding something. Him closing the thread the way he did was also abuse of his power. I think he thought he was in the official forums where people can close threads just because it discuses something they did wrong.

He wasn't hiding anything. Teaming has been illegal on many graal servers. I have personally been kicked from events on pc servers for doing so. It wasn't written down anywhere, but its up to the staff member in charge to decide. Now people say staff being able to make up rules is absurd. It's not, its their job to produce content and regulate gameplay. If ownership wasn't confident in their abilities then he would not be in charge in the first place. No where was there staff abuse in this zone issue. He is just trying to make the server enjoyable and teaming is a huge turn off. Take it from a player who has been on both sides of this situation, staff and participant.  

Posted by Tashkin

They get warned... that is it. After being warned and you do it again... well that's your own fault when you get in trouble.

from what i hear you don't get warned, you get threatened.  

Posted by GOAT

What if the warning is invalid? Staff members often give warnings that have no merit. When theres no set rules everything is left to interpretation.

Staff are required to have evidence when warning/banning a player. If they don't have it they get in trouble and we remove the warning/ban from the players record.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

There are technically no rules though since there not written down, its all made up and any admin can make up some absurd rule whenever they feel like it and enforce it. A great example is spar boosting in era. Theres no clear line if its legal or not, because it wasn't written down.

There aren't rules posted on any server. Doesn't players get to do whatever they please. It mostly common sense... if it's probably something you shouldn't do then don't do it plain and simple.

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

but for abusing what rule? If its a rule, it has to be written down, otherwise its not a rule. Then people like you will start to make up rules such as teaming in bomb spar.

As stated in the post quote about. Just because a rule isn't post doesn't mean oh I can go dupe my items since it's not a rule. Or oh them me team with my friend so its basically us boosting off of eachother the whole time. Or let me boost off of my alt account over and over. Seriously you cannot be that naive to think because no rules are posted you get to do whatever you want.

Posted by PumaD

There never was a rule about teaming. Matt let his ET decide whther they tolerate teaming in events or not, but there was no rule in general and especially for bombspar, it's a lie.

There has always been this rule since before I started. Stop posting your bs to stir up more crap. x.x

Posted by Myst

from what i hear you don't get warned, you get threatened.

If you are getting threatened by a staff member you need to report them for it. x.x

Posted by Rotaruc

There are general graal rules but thats it. There is no place where there are rules posted or anything. I have played zone since day one and ive never heard any rule about no teaming. Nor has anyone else. THERE HAS EVEN BEEN TEAMING IN STAFF HOSTED SHOWDOWNS.And i would love to send my complaint about staff abuse to the zone email but guess who reads it? The frigging manager! why would i do that? Id also like to clear up my staff abuse thread.... Everything I said was true. All the details were there. I was there myself and I DO NOT lie. Especially about something like this and being a player from era if you want to know what my hate level for staff abuse is say "jump" on any server. I was not part of this bomb spar team against purplemoon. I was clearly not raging or crying in any way... I expected tashkin to accept what he did wrong, apologize, and everyone move on. But NO once again with staff abuse there is a cover up with some bs lies and not even a sorry. Not 1 sorry from tashkin. Even if it wasnt for his abuse. Something like "Sorry for any misunderstanding." If you read his last post on the thread "Staff Abuse" He sounds very defensive. Now after this idk about the rest you but im certainly keeping both of my eyes on every staff member. Dont think i cant see you while ur in stealth either if youre reading this.

As for you get over yourself... you got a warning and act is if you were banned from the server. I could have banned you for the disgusting way you and your friend were talking to her that day. Guess what I didn't so stop trying to act like you are all innocent and pretending that you are lying. It's a rule and always has been and always will be. You were in a way boosting with your friend by teaming up killing all of the other players until it was just the two of you. So you can continue to put up this front about how innocent you are but in reality you are just trying to do what you please on the server. That isn't going to happen so play the game like it is suppose to be played or you will get in trouble otherwise.

As for the other Staff abusing... if you don't say anything nothing can be done about it. So once again that is your fault for not reporting it. Record your games or take screenshots of the staff abusing and send it to PD or myself. Without proof nothing will be done though.


Regardless, this is why we have a warning system. You get warned for things you aren't suppose to do and if you continue to do so you will be banned.  

Ok bs. I was not warned i was coming forward about staff abuse check my records i havent been warned in a looonnngg time. I do not team ever. Im not that kind of player if you knew me im 100% about skill. Call me cocky idgaf but im strongly against p2w or unfair ways to win. I was not 1 of the 2 players who was teaming on your pixelated gf i was just a witness. Hanson and titan were the ones teaming on her not me. I never spoke to purplemoon at all that day. Ask her yourself and why dont you get over yourself? You just went from all star manager from manager covered in dandruff and lies. AS FOR YOU... Showdown and bomb spar has not been here since day 1 so theres no way that rule was ever made on day 1 as it was not even possible to team yet! #staffabuse #Lies/coverup
#playersforthewin



Nuff said. My work here is done. Gg tashkin.  

Teaming has been at spars and showdown since day one. I've talked to some staff members who have said they've never even heard of the no-teaming rule. For future reference, Tash, I just think you should make things a bit clearer. I also think that everyone else is making a big deal out of this. The players teaming weren't banned, they were warned, so no harm was really done. I just think this is a big fight over nothing.  

Posted by Rotaruc

Ok bs. I was not warned i was coming forward about staff abuse check my records i havent been warned in a looonnngg time. I do not team ever. Im not that kind of player if you knew me im 100% about skill. Call me cocky idgaf but im strongly against p2w or unfair ways to win. I was not 1 of the 2 players who was teaming on your pixelated gf i was just a witness. Hanson and titan were the ones teaming on her not me. I never spoke to purplemoon at all that day. Ask her yourself and why dont you get over yourself? You just went from all star manager from manager covered in dandruff and lies. AS FOR YOU... Showdown and bomb spar has not been here since day 1 so theres no way that rule was ever made on day 1 as it was not even possible to team yet! #staffabuse #Lies/coverup
#playersforthewin



Nuff said. My work here is done. Gg tashkin.

I'd rep if I could.  

Posted by Rotaruc

Ok bs. I was not warned i was coming forward about staff abuse check my records i havent been warned in a looonnngg time. I do not team ever. Im not that kind of player if you knew me im 100% about skill. Call me cocky idgaf but im strongly against p2w or unfair ways to win. I was not 1 of the 2 players who was teaming on your pixelated gf i was just a witness. Hanson and titan were the ones teaming on her not me. I never spoke to purplemoon at all that day. Ask her yourself and why dont you get over yourself? You just went from all star manager from manager covered in dandruff and lies. AS FOR YOU... Showdown and bomb spar has not been here since day 1 so theres no way that rule was ever made on day 1 as it was not even possible to team yet! #staffabuse #Lies/coverup
#playersforthewin



Nuff said. My work here is done. Gg tashkin.

So you weren't actually warned, or the one who was teaming, and you are against teaming. Why did you even bring this topic up. It has literally nothing to do with you, and if it was such a big deal how come the two players who were warned aren't making threads on here complaining? It can't be that big of a deal if they just let it go.

Also, here's what I dont understand. You don't team because you believe in skill. Tashkin warned players for teaming, which is something you said yourself you hate. Shouldnt you be thanking Tashkin? He is enforcing rules that making sparring more skill oriented. Why is this such a big deal when you werent even involved and it actually benefits you?  

Posted by Unknown

So you weren't actually warned, or the one who was teaming, and you are against teaming. Why did you even bring this topic up. It has literally nothing to do with you, and if it was such a big deal how come the two players who were warned aren't making threads on here complaining? It can't be that big of a deal if they just let it go.

Also, here's what I dont understand. You don't team because you believe in skill. Tashkin warned players for teaming, which is something you said yourself you hate. Shouldnt you be thanking Tashkin? He is enforcing rules that making sparring more skill oriented. Why is this such a big deal when you werent even involved and it actually benefits you?

The point is, he is defending his Internet girlfriend Purple moon, who may or may not be Homelesswitch. Probably is. Anyhow, he is talking about how something that hasn't really ever happened as a problem before, turned into a problem. PurpleMoon obviously complained to Tashkin that the kids were teaming. Not once have I seen teaming regarded as a problem, considering it isn't a glitch or hack, rather a decision that a Player makes.
It only became a problem when it was a problem for PM, because keep in mind, Tashkin released a special event chair for 5 minutes just so she could have one. Spoiled. Kid.  

Posted by Unknown

So you weren't actually warned, or the one who was teaming, and you are against teaming. Why did you even bring this topic up. It has literally nothing to do with you, and if it was such a big deal how come the two players who were warned aren't making threads on here complaining? It can't be that big of a deal if they just let it go.

Also, here's what I dont understand. You don't team because you believe in skill. Tashkin warned players for teaming, which is something you said yourself you hate. Shouldnt you be thanking Tashkin? He is enforcing rules that making sparring more skill oriented. Why is this such a big deal when you werent even involved and it actually benefits you?

Interesting point of view. This doesnt just involve me. Once again it involves all players because when staff think they can use their powers like this eventually more and more players will encounter staff abuse and it becomes a major issue. Thats why its a big deal. Need an example? Three letters. Id rather not include that word in this and im pretty sure ur smart enough to know what im talking about. Why not take tashkins side since hes actually keeping the game about skill? First of all he made the rule cuz of his pixel gf and they both obviously hate me so theres 1 reason. My main reason is personal and Id rather not share my knowledge because its part of my tactics/strategy. I dont like to share this information with others. Call it bs but i have my resasons. and its not because i hate tashkin and want to destroy his face from the universe or anything like that lol.  

"Posting Bull****", really? I don't recall Nico, PD or myself stating that rule, ever. Neither did Matt.
I don't really care if you added the rule because of favoritism or not, or if you just added it ago a week, but it wasn't there "since day 1".  

Posted by Rotaruc

Ok bs. I was not warned i was coming forward about staff abuse check my records i havent been warned in a looonnngg time. I do not team ever. Im not that kind of player if you knew me im 100% about skill. Call me cocky idgaf but im strongly against p2w or unfair ways to win. I was not 1 of the 2 players who was teaming on your pixelated gf i was just a witness. Hanson and titan were the ones teaming on her not me. I never spoke to purplemoon at all that day. Ask her yourself and why dont you get over yourself? You just went from all star manager from manager covered in dandruff and lies. AS FOR YOU... Showdown and bomb spar has not been here since day 1 so theres no way that rule was ever made on day 1 as it was not even possible to team yet! #staffabuse #Lies/coverup
#playersforthewin



Nuff said. My work here is done. Gg tashkin.

You were warned or whoever you posted for was... you even showed everyone the pm of you being warned. You were given a verbal warning. So yes... you were warned.

Now you are rambling on about a bunch of different not even related to your arguement. You statements are all over the place. You can be mad all you want because of being told not to do something. Simply shows how childish you are and how much you think you can get away with anything you please.

Posted by PumaD

"Posting Bull****", really? I don't recall Nico, PD or myself stating that rule, ever. Neither did Matt.
I don't really care if you added the rule because of favoritism or not, or if you just added it ago a week, but it wasn't there "since day 1".

Or like usually just didn't pay attention. The rule has been there since before I started. I never added it. As stated in my previous post teaming is basically boosting so only him and his friend would win. Which is why teaming has never been allowed in those two places. Which is why we patrol those areas. Common sense and actually doing your job and you would know that.  

Posted by Unknown

He wasn't hiding anything.

I never said he was

Posted by Unknown

Teaming has been illegal on many graal servers. I have personally been kicked from events on pc servers for doing so. It wasn't written down anywhere, but its up to the staff member in charge to decide.

Most players here are saying that they didnt know it was a rule. The way i see it is players should be able to use any strategy to win as long as its not assisted by some cheat engine/hack. If staff dont like the strategy they can figure out a way to prevent it from happening. Classic had alot of problems with peoples strategies in towers and rufus realized it was easier to find a solution than warn players, some examples, horses in towers got removed, door blockers got hit with the push down doors and arrow spammers lost that privilege.

Posted by Unknown

Now people say staff being able to make up rules is absurd. It's not, its their job to produce content and regulate gameplay. If ownership wasn't confident in their abilities then he would not be in charge in the first place. No where was there staff abuse in this zone issue. He is just trying to make the server enjoyable and teaming is a huge turn off. Take it from a player who has been on both sides of this situation, staff and participant.

The abuse part can be seen in 3 parts. (This is where people make up their own opinion about the situation)
1. Tash broadcasts a msg to get people into the bomb spar area (according to the witnesses it was so purple moon could eat up some nubs)
2. Purple moon is the Kevin91 of iZone so 2 lesser skilled players decide to team up to beat her. When tash sees this he sticks them and warns them about being banned
3. Tash is acting as purple moons personal spar moderator.

The question is would he do that for me, you, or anyone else that is not his friend?

Then if this purple moon girl is his graal gf it makes the whole incident suspicious.

Personally i think this is just personal issues between tash and rota and each side saw things their way.

Posted by Tashkin

Staff are required to have evidence when warning/banning a player. If they don't have it they get in trouble and we remove the warning/ban from the players record.

Now everyone is going to want to see the evidence against them

Posted by Tashkin

As stated in the post quote about. Just because a rule isn't post doesn't mean oh I can go dupe my items since it's not a rule. Or oh them me team with my friend so its basically us boosting off of eachother the whole time. Or let me boost off of my alt account over and over. Seriously you cannot be that naive to think because no rules are posted you get to do whatever you want.

Seems like the teaming rule is to prevent boosting. Wouldnt it just be better to give a warning for boosting after gathering evidence that would prove it.