Posted by Ghettoicedtea

well yeah im unprepared. If i was to take the GA spot right now i would for starters have no clue what im doing since i don't know the coding to guns and im sure as hell it wouldn't look like this
Damage:
Freeze:
Reload:
Blowback:
Spread:
that type of thing.
Second gun stats are not public. So i am not able to calculate the time to kill on weapons to give a better idea of how to balance them.
if someone will teach me the codes and how to code the weapons, or willing to take the time to give me the gun stats simplified without all the extra coding stuff, and i say the number that needs to be changed and someone else would do that for me. I will gladly take the GA position as i do not want to see zone turn into 360 era.

 

Posted by doodleman171

I support Git for GA. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to guns.

You don't have to know crap about guns to make a balanced mechanic on zone. It's not like these are real guns we are talking about that you need knowledge on in order to make it accurate in game. These are fake imaginary sci~fi guns.

Should be more concerned with your GA knowing a good business strategy and someone who actually plays the game and knows what balance means rather than "gun knowledge"

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

well yeah im unprepared. If i was to take the GA spot right now i would for starters have no clue what im doing since i don't know the coding to guns and im sure as hell it wouldn't look like this
Damage:
Freeze:
Reload:
Blowback:
Spread:

That's pretty much what the weapon editor on Delteria is like when I worked there. Zone has been given a few things from there wouldn't be surprised if editors were one of them  

Posted by Kendama

4x the DragonBall references.  

Posted by NeoZX

4x the DragonBall references.

 

Posted by Livid

Then don't make the guns super cheap, to be honest the answers are always before your very eyes but people are so focused on what "they" think they don't realize it.

wtf are you smoking? cheap guns are good. Not bad. Expensive guns like the BAR are bad as they can't be touched at all otherwise the community would just go bonkers. The fix to APRs is right there and thats to lower the clip size to 12, to fix the green and red rifle its just remove the tapfire on those guns.

Posted by Jester Lapse

You don't have to know crap about guns to make a balanced mechanic on zone. It's not like these are real guns we are talking about that you need knowledge on in order to make it accurate in game. These are fake imaginary sci~fi guns.

omg yes you do. You need to know how the weapons work, where they perform best, what their best at, and what situations these guns work in best in game otherwise you got no clue whats going on. You need to know the average t2k as thats what basically says what the community is used to. You also got to know the effects of the weapons stats and whats the drawbacks and advantages.
Thats my 2 cents  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

wtf are you smoking? cheap guns are good. Not bad. Expensive guns like the BAR are bad as they can't be touched at all otherwise the community would just go bonkers. The fix to APRs is right there and thats to lower the clip size to 12, to fix the green and red rifle its just remove the tapfire on those guns.



omg yes you do. You need to know how the weapons work, where they perform best, what their best at, and what situations these guns work in best in game otherwise you got no clue whats going on. You need to know the average t2k as thats what basically says what the community is used to. You also got to know the effects of the weapons stats and whats the drawbacks and advantages.
Thats my 2 cents

I don't smoke. Anyways why don't you do something about it all mighty weapons master who's treating the game as if its real life.  

Posted by Kendama

6x and why. da. ****.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

omg yes you do. You need to know how the weapons work, where they perform best, what their best at, and what situations these guns work in best in game otherwise you got no clue whats going on. You need to know the average t2k as thats what basically says what the community is used to. You also got to know the effects of the weapons stats and whats the drawbacks and advantages.
Thats my 2 cents

either you just read my first sentence and started pounding your head against the keyboard to make a reply like you usually do, or you just don't understand basic English.

Posted by Jester Lapse

Should be more concerned with your GA knowing a good business strategy and someone who actually plays the game and knows what balance means rather than "gun knowledge"

Again, these are sci-fi guns. Meaning they are imaginary. Meaning you don't need gun knowledge at all to make a balanced system. Just someone that plays the game and understands what guns dominate and which are lacking.

Please try to read a full statement before going keyboard warrior after reading a word.

Posted by Livid

I don't smoke. Anyways why don't you do something about it all mighty weapons master who's treating the game as if its real life.

because all he knows how to do is bitch. You don't see him trying to learn the systems and trying to be productive, ever. All he does is cry when he doesnt get his way, and even if he did get his way, he would find something else to cry about. Typical baby behavior.  

Posted by Jester Lapse

either you just read my first sentence and started pounding your head against the keyboard to make a reply like you usually do, or you just don't understand basic English.



Again, these are sci-fi guns. Meaning they are imaginary. Meaning you don't need gun knowledge at all to make a balanced system. Just someone that plays the game and understands what guns dominate and which are lacking.

Please try to read a full statement before going keyboard warrior after reading a word.



because all he knows how to do is bitch. You don't see him trying to learn the systems and trying to be productive, ever. All he does is cry when he doesnt get his way, and even if he did get his way, he would find something else to cry about. Typical baby behavior.

I think you misunderstood something. Im horrible at explaining so let me re state this. No these are not real guns, no you dont need to know anything about real guns to be a good GA. Second i said you need to know how the weapons work, what their best at, and where they perform best. You need to know how the in game weapons work and perform to be a good GA.

Second you really need to zip it and stfu. I am trying to learn the system, i just asked if anyone was willing to teach me the system, also admins didn't release stats for weapons so i cant see what the stats are and get an idea of what the numbers mean. The only number i think i will really need to learn is the blowback since that wasn't in era. Also i am being productive, i dont see you trying to come up with solutions. I got my solutions for the problems as stated in this thread, green and red rifle need tap fire removed. Why? Simple, it ruins the point of the photon rifle. The photon should be unique for the tap fire ability it has that slightly increases ROF. The green and red rifles have this now so why would you spend an extra 2k when you can buy a cheaper gun that does the same exact thing? For APRs im not even going to bother going into.  

Honestly, the green rifle is fine as it is. Tap fire is good for this gun but most players don't tap and prefer to hold the shooting pad down. Rippers are also no problem. They are 42k, why even nerf them? Guns in Zone for me are balanced and each feels unique in its own way.  

Posted by doodleman171

I support Git for GA. He knows what he's talking about when it comes to guns.

i support this.  

Posted by xSupah*

Honestly, the green rifle is fine as it is. Tap fire is good for this gun but most players don't tap and prefer to hold the shooting pad down. Rippers are also no problem. They are 42k, why even nerf them? Guns in Zone for me are balanced and each feels unique in its own way.

you didn't read my rant. Ill say this again. The green rifles tap fire is ruining the whole point of the photon. What made the photon rifle more expensive is the tap fire. If you're not going to use the photons tap fire, then there was a cheaper alternative that was the green and red rifle. However now that they have tap fire just like a photons, why would you pay 2k extra for a gun that does the same exact thing as the other and has more blowback.

as for the APRs I already made a bitching thread about them.  

Posted by Ghettoicedtea

you didn't read my rant. Ill say this again. The green rifles tap fire is ruining the whole point of the photon. What made the photon rifle more expensive is the tap fire. If you're not going to use the photons tap fire, then there was a cheaper alternative that was the green and red rifle. However now that they have tap fire just like a photons, why would you pay 2k extra for a gun that does the same exact thing as the other and has more blowback.



as for the APRs I already made a bitching thread about them.

So what? Does it even matter? Leave the guns as they are. As I said, most people don't tap fire the green rifle. The guns are fine.  

Posted by xSupah*

So what? Does it even matter? Leave the guns as they are. As I said, most people don't tap fire the green rifle. The guns are fine.

you don't go into combat a lot, or you have had a different experience than me. People are tap firing the crap out of green and red rifle. It ruins the photon, if you want to tap fire and learn to master it, go to the photon. If you don't want to learn tap fire and instead have more accurate and a constant flow of bullets go green or red. Also yes it does matter. If you paid more for a gun then it should be slightly better than the cheaper one.

Posted by Livid

I don't smoke. Anyways why don't you do something about it all mighty weapons master who's treating the game as if its real life.

Im doing the only thing that can be done by a player, bitching about it and hope that staff change it. If i had permissions to change the weapons stats then this thread wouldn't exist.  

Quite a few players uses the tap fire option. On some weapons, tap fire increases your fire rate which is a good thing. Red rifle and Green rifle shouldn't be a problem to dodge. They have a moderate clip compared to the Rippers. Anyway, I would change or tweak a few of the weapons to match its price and compete with other weapons aswell.