Posted by Yog

I'm not sure I agree with no prizes. PKing and Baddy Killing arguably don't take skill, just time. Although house ratings can easily be exploited, as we've seen, unlike PKing and Baddy Killing.

Pking can be exploited, I don't see how you could exploit baddy killing but I'm sure someone knows.
Sure pking and bking don't take that much skills, but the thing is: you cannot buy kills. Giving prizes for house would be like telling them pay for prize.
Classic isn't era. You don't pay to get better, you pay to get overpriced hats.  

Posted by Bryan*

Gets recognition...still wants a prize. Something that isn't even skill-based...

PKing is not skill based. All you do is mash the same button over and over until you feel like stopping. Anybody can get to 100k if they were motivated to do it and had the time to do it.  

Posted by eevee2

Pking can be exploited, I don't see how you could exploit baddy killing but I'm sure someone knows.

Go try boosting PKs and see how long it takes until you're caught.  

Posted by CM

PKing is not skill based. All you do is mash the same button over and over until you feel like stopping. Anybody can get to 100k if they were motivated to do it and had the time to do it.

Yes, but it takes skills to let's say kill 10 person in a row without dying.
What they mean by skill based is mostly something that reflects how much you've played. Sure a noob can get 12k. But in order to get 12k he'll have to actually play the game.
The house... you could have 10k hours have spent 2million on an house, someone with 2 hours could buy x numbers of gralat packs and have a better house.

Posted by Yog

Go try boosting PKs and see how long it takes until you're caught.

If the system was perfect there wouldn't be any exploit.
Just because people get caught, doesn't mean everyone will stop doing it.  

Posted by Yog

Go try boosting PKs and see how long it takes until you're caught.

2h of riot = 800-900 kills  

Posted by Night-Anthem*

2h of riot = 800-900 kills

Pretty sure 1 hour of mod pking can get you 500 pk easy as well.  

Posted by eevee2

If the system was perfect there wouldn't be any exploit.
Just because people get caught, doesn't mean everyone will stop doing it.

Good luck trying to place on the leaderboards by boosting.

Posted by Night-Anthem*

2h of riot = 800-900 kills

You're still killing players who can defend themselves and are probably contributing to the killing themselves. I don't see a problem there.  

Hitting everywhere with a sword is more worth a thophy than building an entire house ? Nice.  

Posted by Yog

Good luck trying to place on the leaderboards by boosting.



You're still killing players who can defend themselves and are probably contributing to the killing themselves. I don't see a problem there.

Boosting can be seen differently from person to person, but pk bridge riot pretty much is one hell of a pk exploit. After all if someone(who may not know about unstuck me and unstick me) gets stuck in there, he's going to get killed atleast 10 times before getting out. Spawning inside the giant blob riot was probably the worst experience I've had, people get trapped and are simply killed over and over. I'd call that exploit wouldn't you?

Posted by Night-Anthem*

Hitting everywhere with a sword is more worth a thophy than building an entire house ? Nice.

Parce que tout le monde peut faire ça.
Faire une maison et arriver sur le leaderboard prend beaucoup de gralats, de temps/popularité. Ce n'est pas tout le monde qui peut dépenser 100k gralats pour une maison.  

Posted by eevee2

Boosting can be seen differently from person to person, but pk bridge riot pretty much is one hell of a pk exploit. After all if someone(who may not know about unstuck me and unstick me) gets stuck in there, he's going to get killed atleast 10 times before getting out. Spawning inside the giant blob riot was probably the worst experience I've had, people get trapped and are simply killed over and over. I'd call that exploit wouldn't you?

Boosting has a pretty clear definition. PK riots are not boosting.  

Posted by Yog

Boosting has a pretty clear definition. PK riots are not boosting.

Yea but there are different ways of boosting that one is a "clean" way to boost you kills. What you say boosting you talk about the "unclean" way of boosting.
Pking a tower for an hour is a "clean" way of boosting.
Pking your noob account of an hour is an "unclean" way of boosting.  

Posted by eevee2

Yes, but it takes skills to let's say kill 10 person in a row without dying.

That's irrelevant. If I'm trying to get 100k I won't care about how many times I die (I think that wanting to have more kills than deaths is lame).  

Posted by eevee2

Yea but there are different ways of boosting that one is a "clean" way to boost you kills. What you say boosting you talk about the "unclean" way of boosting.
Pking a tower for an hour is a "clean" way of boosting.
Pking your noob account of an hour is an "unclean" way of boosting.

No. Boosting is killing the same willing account with the intention to get kills. Any other form of PKing isn't boosting.  

Posted by CM

That's irrelevant. If I'm trying to get 100k I won't care about how many times I die (I think that wanting to have more kills than deaths is lame).

Houses are irrelevant, but they have a leaderboard.
What does it take to make a house: Gralats
What does it take to get 100k pk: Time
When people say pk is skill base, it's because that's something that you make on your own. I don't think anyone on graal has a house with a custom house design made by himself, all of his furniture made by himself. From what I know, to make a house you need gralats. To get kills you need to play.
You won't be able to buy kills, but you'll be able to buy chairs. Decorating houses is based on gralats. No skill is required in farming or buying gralat pack.Sure swinging a sword around all the time doesn't require skills, but even if it is irrelevant to get 10 kills in a row without dying, it's a bigger achievement than buying 10 chairs in a row. As a matter of fact having 100k pk also is irrelevant.
Let's go even deeper: Why play graal? Once you die all that you've done will be meaningless.

Posted by Yog

No. Boosting is killing the same willing account with the intention to get kills. Any other form of PKing isn't boosting.

Why is Colin always editing your posts?  

Seen several people argue that house-building 'skill' is through purchasing power only. I can't count the number of places I have seen which have a TON more furniture than I have, but are arranged like a garbage dump. The creativity and artistic skill in laying out even a dozen furniture objects comes with practice and dedication that firing a bow and arrow into a crowd does not even come close to.

Additionally, the ability to buy a gralat pack does not make an effective or entertaining selection of furniture. Long-standing players who have not succumbed to the temptation of selling their older items may be able to attest to this - you can tell when some one has bought a pack and spent it on furniture. They will have a dozen of the same object... a full complete set from ONE nexus or potentially a bunch of repeated objects from the basic, long standing set, but nothing else of note. A collection that grows over time is unique and related to the taste of the collector, seeing as though there is yet no trading in the game.

When you have unique, older items in a collection it becomes apparent that you are not just an entitled kid who bought some 'skill.'

For the record I have never bought a gralat pack... and am currently #11 on the month leaderboard for housing. I invite you all to stop by and see my place (not for likes), then compare with the #1. You may see what I am talking about... or not. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all.