There should honestly be a way to learn developing without getting hired on a server or buying a server like Dusty said. Servers want people who know how to develope, but you can't learn to develope without practicing on a server.
I don't think Unixmad has any intentions of supporting the PC Client or supporting players learning to develope in general. Era has made some attempts to encourage their players to check out the Graal wiki. Hopefully the Testbed server comes back sooner or later so people can learn how to develope.  

Posted by BEH0LD iTz SAM

Because most of the developers we had have grown older and have no interest in working for free anymore and the majority of the new player base from the ios servers are young and have no interest in trying to learn to script/ don't even know about playerworlds.

If the appstore had some kind of basic functional testbed server with ios development tools it may appeal to iserver players more to give it ago, which may result in more aspiring developers.

this is literally what my entire thread stated  

Either

a) developers on iPhone stick to iPhone
b) older developers leave graal to do actual coding
c) the developers like alpho and myself who are capable of doing work are blacklisted because of all the ****ery we've done  

Because working for a graal server is not worth it. I remember asking an ex scripter of classic how much was she paid, she simply avoided telling me and said she did it mostly for the experience. Left the answer clear enough.  

Posted by Caferino

Because working for a graal server is not worth it. I remember asking an ex scripter of classic how much was she paid, she simply avoided telling me and said she did it mostly for the experience. Left the answer clear enough.

I'd just like to point out the fact that working in a Graal staff team is not something that was meant to be paid for. It's volunteer work, through and through, you're aware of that when you volunteer for it. You do it because you want to do it, not because you need a job.

As for the loss of Developers, this is going to happen as long as PC Client is left to rot. Maybe if you get MD or someone to get off their ass and do their jobs we can turn this around, but otherwise, we're dead in the water and there's nothing else for us to do about it.  

Posted by Xiao

I'd just like to point out the fact that working in a Graal staff team is not something that was meant to be paid for. It's volunteer work, through and through, you're aware of that when you volunteer for it. You do it because you want to do it, not because you need a job.

Yes, but apparently that volunteer election only applies for GPs and GFXs, I believe scripters, the manager and possibly level/gani maker get paid, I heard. Who knows  

Posted by Eugeen

The problem is is that you won't get anywhere from developing on graal except if you do it for fun or learning purposes.
But even then you're better off learning a language like java instead

You're wrong. That is all.  

Yeah. Tricxta is right. Java sucks  

Posted by Tricxta

You're wrong. That is all.

How am I wrong?
Gscript is useless
With any other language you atleast have some opportunities to expand to other businesses  

Programming is programming. It doesnt really matter which language you learn first as long as you really dig into it and learn the fundamentals that all languages share.  

Posted by hosler

Programming is programming. It doesnt really matter which language you learn first as long as you really dig into it and learn the fundamentals that all languages share.

Yeah ofcourse but it still plays a big role since there's different possibilities and limitations, gscript is a waste of time compared to something like C++
Might aswell learn what you can and can not do in a more widely used language.  

Posted by hosler

Programming is programming. It doesnt really matter which language you learn first as long as you really dig into it and learn the fundamentals that all languages share.

This.

I owe my career to the years I spent learning GS2.  

Posted by Emera

This.

I owe my career to the years I spent learning GS2.

What is your language of choice these days and what language does your job force on you?  

Posted by hosler

What is your language of choice these days and what language does your job force on you?

Depends on what I'm doing really. I tend to use the best language for the job, but a lot of what I do is web sites and web services. C# is my language of my choice, but my workplace forces me to use VB.  

For webservices do you use perl or python? Lately ive been creating restful apis with python+turbogears