Unixmad confirms new client in February - 2

Eugeen · 01-22-2017

60 frames per second gani's?
Yes pls if possible

But all I know is that graal has a low fps cap so I don't think it'll change anything

Dusty · 01-22-2017

I don't know if the new client is coded specifically for 60fps in mind, but from my current experimentation with the current client's framerate control it's a bit sloppy. Basically you have to code your server from scratch to anticipate different framerates. For example, the lowest timeout currently is 0.05 because 1 second/20fps = 0.05 seconds. Pretty much every script uses 0.05 timeouts. They won't break, but you won't be getting the full potential of >20fps. 1/60 = ~.017 which would be the new lowest timeout. So everything would have to be coded from the ground up in anticipation of this timeout. However... as far as I know Flash doesn't support >20fps, their new client might though. So 0.017 timeouts aren't going to work for Flash users, but it won't break. It will default to 0.05, but anything based on timing will break. Also, ganis assume 20fps, so 60fps increases gani animations and default movement. I don't know if they also recoded default movement, but if you plan to use a new fps you're gonna need to code your own movement and anistep handling so it animates properly for different framerates. Also none of the default functionality that is determined via time will function correctly, for example anything using move() will glitch out with a framerate > 20fps as they move faster than anticipated and the server snaps them back to where they should have been.

Like I said though I haven't tried this new client so I don't know if they have fixed all of these things, but >20fps is only viable if you plan on building a server from the ground up to actually support it to its fullest potential. I also don't know if they've changed how it's implemented. Currently you don't define the desired FPS... it uses some weird inverse scaling value.

Also, 60fps isn't going to magically make things run better. If you're getting 10fps because of performance issues you're still going to get 10fps even if the server tells you to run at 60fps.

Thallen · 01-22-2017

unixmad showing once again that he's in touch with what the game really needs

how about scrap this fluff and have someone recode your game engine so that it isn't transferring data exponentially based on how many people are in a level… or whatever the hell the lag problem spurs from

Dusty · 01-22-2017

Posted by Thallen

unixmad showing once again that he's in touch with what the game really needs

how about scrap this fluff and have someone recode your game engine so that it isn't transferring data exponentially based on how many people are in a level… or whatever the hell the lag problem spurs from

Honestly I don't think the fps is the highlight of the update. Pretty sure it's mostly to update it for OS10.

Aguzo · 01-22-2017

Posted by Dusty

Honestly I don't think the fps is the highlight of the update. Pretty sure it's mostly to update it for OS10.

So PC will remain the same?

fp4 · 01-22-2017

1. There is a new client in development, Unity-based.
2. There is a iOS 10 client coming soon.

Are they the same client ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aguzo · 01-22-2017

As long as pc finally gets hotkeys, and display settings.
Can't wait to see which new features will be added through unity.

Sir · 01-22-2017

Posted by fp4

1. There is a new client in development, Unity-based.
2. There is a iOS 10 client coming soon.

Are they the same client ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

that's what it's sounding like

Relic · 01-22-2017

Posted by Eugeen

60 frames per second gani's?
Yes pls if possible

But all I know is that graal has a low fps cap so I don't think it'll change anything

Rendering is always clientside, so FPS cap is tied to client.

However unximad is basically saying "we've made a new client with improvements that aren't relevant to the game whatsoever". There's no fixes for actual issues with the game according to this post, lol. 30 FPS vs 60 FPS on Graal is not gonna make a difference to anyone.

xXziroXx · 01-22-2017

To be fair, the new client isn't being made only to allow for 60 fps like some of you are making it out to be.

From my conversations with higher ups it's primarily being made because working with Stefans 15 years of patched code client was proving too much of a hassle for anyone not being Stefan himself. Yes, 60 fps is nice, but having an engine which code you can work with for future updates is so much more valuable. Who knows, since it's Unity based we might even see the rebirth of a Linux & Mac client!

Colin · 01-23-2017

Few ways to interpret this though

Doesn't say anything about updating the application for Classic or any other servers, to me how he says it works with any server sounds like they are developing a client that will allow iOS player worlds or something

Not sure if related but this is what you get when you connect to 'worlds iphone' seems like possible new graphics for the new client? Would make sense to test it with Delteria due to MD practically owning the server and being PWA. It even allows you to connect to Delteria iPhone.

Eugeen · 01-23-2017

Posted by Colin

Few ways to interpret this though

Doesn't say anything about updating the application for Classic or any other servers, to me how he says it works with any server sounds like they are developing a client that will allow iOS player worlds or something

Not sure if related but this is what you get when you connect to 'worlds iphone' seems like possible new graphics for the new client? Would make sense to test it with Delteria due to MD practically owning the server and being PWA. It even allows you to connect to Delteria iPhone.

Sounds like that could be a thing, time will tell I guess

Skyzer · 01-23-2017

Posted by xXziroXx

To be fair, the new client isn't being made only to allow for 60 fps like some of you are making it out to be.

From my conversations with higher ups it's primarily being made because working with Stefans 15 years of patched code client was proving too much of a hassle for anyone not being Stefan himself. Yes, 60 fps is nice, but having an engine which code you can work with for future updates is so much more valuable. Who knows, since it's Unity based we might even see the rebirth of a Linux & Mac client!

Anyone at GR could have uncompiled the source code, not sure why Unixmad couldn't find anyone to do it.

Distorted_P2P · 01-23-2017

pls let classic be used on client

Relic · 01-23-2017

Posted by Skyzer

Anyone at GR could have uncompiled the source code, not sure why Unixmad couldn't find anyone to do it.

Maybe It's because of who they'd have to work for?

Unixmad doesn't exactly have a good track record with treating employees/partners/volunteers fairly (see: Stefan as the biggest example).

The volunteers I can understand because they're doing it out of interest and don't have to deal with the legal/financial side of working for something like this, but I'm surprised he has anybody willing to be employed by him at all.

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Distorted_P2P Banned Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 1,555	since clients coming to ios, ios should come to client pls let classic be used on client

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Eugeen Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 4,173	60 frames per second gani's? Yes pls if possible But all I know is that graal has a low fps cap so I don't think it'll change anything

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Dusty Should be fixed. Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,359	I don't know if the new client is coded specifically for 60fps in mind, but from my current experimentation with the current client's framerate control it's a bit sloppy. Basically you have to code your server from scratch to anticipate different framerates. For example, the lowest timeout currently is 0.05 because 1 second/20fps = 0.05 seconds. Pretty much every script uses 0.05 timeouts. They won't break, but you won't be getting the full potential of >20fps. 1/60 = ~.017 which would be the new lowest timeout. So everything would have to be coded from the ground up in anticipation of this timeout. However... as far as I know Flash doesn't support >20fps, their new client might though. So 0.017 timeouts aren't going to work for Flash users, but it won't break. It will default to 0.05, but anything based on timing will break. Also, ganis assume 20fps, so 60fps increases gani animations and default movement. I don't know if they also recoded default movement, but if you plan to use a new fps you're gonna need to code your own movement and anistep handling so it animates properly for different framerates. Also none of the default functionality that is determined via time will function correctly, for example anything using move() will glitch out with a framerate > 20fps as they move faster than anticipated and the server snaps them back to where they should have been. Like I said though I haven't tried this new client so I don't know if they have fixed all of these things, but >20fps is only viable if you plan on building a server from the ground up to actually support it to its fullest potential. I also don't know if they've changed how it's implemented. Currently you don't define the desired FPS... it uses some weird inverse scaling value. Also, 60fps isn't going to magically make things run better. If you're getting 10fps because of performance issues you're still going to get 10fps even if the server tells you to run at 60fps.

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	unixmad showing once again that he's in touch with what the game really needs how about scrap this fluff and have someone recode your game engine so that it isn't transferring data exponentially based on how many people are in a level… or whatever the hell the lag problem spurs from

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fp4 maymay ambassador Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,508	1. There is a new client in development, Unity-based. 2. There is a iOS 10 client coming soon. Are they the same client ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Aguzo Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 3,027	As long as pc finally gets hotkeys, and display settings. Can't wait to see which new features will be added through unity.

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xXziroXx Banned Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Sweden Posts: 287	To be fair, the new client isn't being made only to allow for 60 fps like some of you are making it out to be. From my conversations with higher ups it's primarily being made because working with Stefans 15 years of patched code client was proving too much of a hassle for anyone not being Stefan himself. Yes, 60 fps is nice, but having an engine which code you can work with for future updates is so much more valuable. Who knows, since it's Unity based we might even see the rebirth of a Linux & Mac client!

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Colin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3,204	Few ways to interpret this though Doesn't say anything about updating the application for Classic or any other servers, to me how he says it works with any server sounds like they are developing a client that will allow iOS player worlds or something Not sure if related but this is what you get when you connect to 'worlds iphone' seems like possible new graphics for the new client? Would make sense to test it with Delteria due to MD practically owning the server and being PWA. It even allows you to connect to Delteria iPhone.