Posted by Winter

This is a server geared towards the youngest of Graal players, after all... Things shouldn't be too involved for someone to pick up and play easily. That's what this server in particular was created off of, in comparison to existing servers. This is also a reason the game was introduced to a mobile device in the first place.

Take a step back. Classic iPhone is and always will be a mobile Graal server. It was never meant to be what other servers are or have the potential to be, and it never will be. It is the most limited of all Classic-style servers.

What seems to be happening is the same thing that happened to many other servers in the past; more and more things are added until everything just kind of blows around in the wind in the eyes of players. Not too easily understood. If you really want a server with AP, more player killing, and more hearts or other game enhancements, I encourage you to try a server on the computer client for Graal. These servers were actually created for this, not for mobile accessibility.

You see, in my opinion, I feel like people have gone overboard with the development of this server. What can you add to please players ranging in age from 8 years old all the way to 20's? You cannot make everyone happy. This is a large block in people's minds I feel must be lifted. As much as I want to see the server be successful, think about what might be best for the server as a whole.

I don't agree. PKing does not detract from a 'pick up and play' mentality, because PKing is Graal in its simplest form. There are no prerequisites to PKing, you simply slash your sword and kill each other. AP also acts as a countermeasure to ensure this accessibility when there are future additions such as heart quests.

GraalOnline Classic moved away from that 'pick up and play' mentality the moment that Stefan started hinting that there would be quests. Being a mobile server doesn't imply that it needs to be as basic as Snake or Tetris either. Mobile gaming has changed where games are more akin to handheld gaming. That said, GraalOnline Classic isn't just a 'mobile' server anymore because it's connected to Facebook too. I think it's fair to say that this model is being treated as the future of Graal, but that doesn't mean you should go onto a PC server in order to experience its older core aspects.  

Posted by Winter

This is a server geared towards the youngest of Graal players, after all... Things shouldn't be too involved for someone to pick up and play easily. That's what this server in particular was created off of, in comparison to existing servers. This is also a reason the game was introduced to a mobile device in the first place.

Take a step back. Classic iPhone is and always will be a mobile Graal server. It was never meant to be what other servers are or have the potential to be, and it never will be. It is the most limited of all Classic-style servers.

What seems to be happening is the same thing that happened to many other servers in the past; more and more things are added until everything just kind of blows around in the wind in the eyes of players. Not too easily understood. If you really want a server with AP, more player killing, and more hearts or other game enhancements, I encourage you to try a server on the computer client for Graal. These servers were actually created for this, not for mobile accessibility.

You see, in my opinion, I feel like people have gone overboard with the development of this server. What can you add to please players ranging in age from 8 years old all the way to 20's? You cannot make everyone happy. This is a large block in people's minds I feel must be lifted. As much as I want to see the server be successful, think about what might be best for the server as a whole.

I couldn't disagree more. Even the most complex "Classic" servers were very easy for anyone to get into. Classic's appeal on the mobile market was its freshness and the fact that there's really no other game like it. Graal appeals to a wide range of ages, usually from young teens to adults. Stefan and unixmad were trying to appeal to kids right before iClassic was released, and in return we got an immature theme pack, horrid website, and embarassing images. If anything that drove people away from Graal, not to it.

iClassic players already spar at a competitive level and they actively PK in forts. At the same time, though, I don't think Graal city was designed to handle a playercount of 1500...so I might have to go back on my old support for making Graal city PK. I would still like to see an AP system implemented, though, and it's pretty straightforward in terms of what it does so it doesn't confuse the new/casual players.  

Posted by Crono

I couldn't disagree more. Even the most complex "Classic" servers were very easy for anyone to get into. Classic's appeal on the mobile market was its freshness and the fact that there's really no other game like it. Graal appeals to a wide range of ages, usually from young teens to adults. Stefan and unixmad were trying to appeal to kids right before iClassic was released, and in return we got an immature theme pack, horrid website, and embarassing images. If anything that drove people away from Graal, not to it.

iClassic players already spar at a competitive level and they actively PK in forts. At the same time, though, I don't think Graal city was designed to handle a playercount of 1500...so I might have to go back on my old support for making Graal city PK. I would still like to see an AP system implemented, though, and it's pretty straightforward in terms of what it does so it doesn't confuse the new/casual players.

Lmao posted pretty much the same thing at the same time.  

Posted by Pazx

Agreeing with everyone in this thread so far but Tyler.

Get out.

For real.

Love you too <3. I think I'll take a front row seat on this thread now that you asked so politely.  

Implementing the AP system won't really hurt the game's 'pick up and play' mentality. It's just another gameplay element that throws another variable in the mix. It's a pretty staightforward system that wouldn't take that long to understand. I just wasn't a big fan of 100 AP lamers. I don't really support the implementation of the system, but I really couldn't care less if it was.

And shouldn't this be in the Classic section? People will more likely see it there.  

I guess my post was a bit unclear to even myself, seeing as I can't fully connect with part of the things I stated... The AP system took many players a short while to learn how it works, but I don't think many people can say the same for 9 year old players. That being said, the fact can work in favor of either point to be proven. Not a very strong way to express an opinion on my part.. Sorry for a premature post.

Posted by Rufus

I think it's fair to say that this model is being treated as the future of Graal, but that doesn't mean you should go onto a PC server in order to experience its older core aspects.

The way I see it, it really is the best way to experience these aspects. This is only at the moment, so who knows what could be possible? I don't see the future, I can only guess. Then again, if fingers do point at the server as the "future of Graal", wouldn't "older" aspects be irrelevant? The idea of the elements being core elements save them, to be honest. I do not in any suggest any way core elements (PK, AP, etc.) are unable to comprehend, nor are tough to understand. However, I recall countless numbers of people complaining and wondering how spar rate systems work. That was one basic yet confusing aspect for young players.

Posted by Crono

I don't think Graal city was designed to handle a playercount of 1500...so I might have to go back on my old support for making Graal city PK.

This is what I wanted to say, but couldn't find the words for it.. Perhaps I should clear my own mind of its irrelevant thoughts before I post. The topic discussed in this thread is a pretty broad one, and the mind tends to wander in order to learn..

I am in favor of PK enabled in Graal City. What I meant to say, is that I do not think the server is ready for it yet. I mean, if so many people complained about it that it needed to be removed, why try to build off the idea?  

I do too, but it's not going to happen. Hopefully someone talented at development will work on a real Classic server. I would help if I get gold, but I'm not that good.