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Posted by Dusty

Are you... forecasting pk mobs?

im reporting rape, looting, and arson. roughly 500,000 deaths.  

SPORTS!  

#BringBackOldGSLeaderboards  

We are going to stop collecting data from non-identified accounts and remove it from the score boards (most people visible on the top 50s are).

So identify your accounts if you haven't already.

I've also figured out why the spar data was inconsistent and will be fixing that as well. Spar data is device and country specific now so if you've sparred on more than one device or country it could be referencing the wrong data.

Filtering by country and your device type will give show the proper score until it's fixed.  

Posted by fp4

We are going to stop collecting data from non-identified accounts and remove it from the score boards (most people visible on the top 50s are).

So identify your accounts if you haven't already.

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But...who will kik him now?
 

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I do not understand :|  

Posted by Kuz

#BringBackOldGSLeaderboards

can you explain why?  

Posted by fp4

can you explain why?

The points system I laid out works well for singles, but there are way too many loopholes in GS that make it kinda bad. As it incorporates a measure of activity, it's basically just encouraging guilds to spam recruit players and spar as many 5 vs. 2 guild spars as possible. It's pretty disadvantageous to quality guilds. It's basically bringing the whole "noob recruiting" strategy that dominates towers to GSing.

What I recommended a few other times is that you guys create another filter for both singles and GS, just Rating. I'm not sure if "showrating" or "showguildrating" work anymore, but they should. The Rating filter (for GS) is how you guys should seed the GST teams. It's very similar to how the previous GS points worked anyway, but this way doesn't require any additional algorithm. You'd just take Graal's default spar rating system and put it all in a database and sort it.

This way, you can keep the existing GS leaderboard and encourage activity (which I think is a great thing), but GST seeding will be based on the Rating filter (not Points or Wins), which is a lot more skill-intensive. Or, you can just revert back to the old points you used for GS before January, but I don't really see the point of not putting "showrating" and "showguildrating" to use. They're practically the same from what I understood.

Either that, or something I posted earlier:

Posted by Thallen

3. Consider alternative ways to seed teams for the GST
I really think it should trickle down like this in some way:

1. GSTs won
2. GST rounds won
3. Guild spar points

If your tag has a GST win, you're seeded higher than teams with none
If two tags have the same number of GST wins, the team with the more GST rounds won is seeded higher
If two tags have the same number of GST wins and GST rounds won, the team with the most guild spar points is seeded higher

With how the GST is automated, I can see from a scripting standpoint how this could be easily achieved. This also encourages more natural guild function, as you'll have incentive to participate on the same tag (like a guild should do). This would allow us to have an activity-centric GS leaderboard, while guilds who deserve to be in the GST by their previous achievements are naturally seeded higher. You'd no longer have to boringly sit around sparring 200 noob teams every GST to qualify when you clearly deserve it.

Regarding the whole 5 vs. 2 issue anyway, why don't you guys make it dynamically scale HP to team size? As in, if you're a team of 2 facing a team of 5, the team of 2 gets 7.5 hearts each (since the team of 5 has 15 HP total). I know there are some team sizes that won't divide perfectly, but any rough adjustment will be better than nothing. I don't know how easy that is to pull off. It's still very advantageous to the team of 5, but at least it softens it a bit. If that was the case then even the current leaderboard would be fine.  

Posted by Thallen

Regarding the whole 5 vs. 2 issue anyway, why don't you guys make it dynamically scale HP to team size? As in, if you're a team of 2 facing a team of 5, the team of 2 gets 7.5 hearts each (since the team of 5 has 15 HP total). I don't know how easy that is to pull off. It's still very advantageous to the team of 5, but at least it softens it a bit. If that was the case then even the current leaderboard would be fine.

This would be so fun  

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Posted by Thallen

The points system I laid out works well for singles, but there are way too many loopholes in GS that make it kinda bad. As it incorporates a measure of activity, it's basically just encouraging guilds to spam recruit players and spar as many 5 vs. 2 guild spars as possible. It's pretty disadvantageous to quality guilds. It's basically bringing the whole "noob recruiting" strategy that dominates towers to GSing.

What I recommended a few other times is that you guys create another filter for both singles and GS, just Rating. I'm not sure if "showrating" or "showguildrating" work anymore, but they should. The Rating filter (for GS) is how you guys should seed the GST teams. It's very similar to how the previous GS points worked anyway, but this way doesn't require any additional algorithm. You'd just take Graal's default spar rating system and put it all in a database and sort it.

This way, you can keep the existing GS leaderboard and encourage activity (which I think is a great thing), but GST seeding will be based on the Rating filter (not Points or Wins), which is a lot more skill-intensive. Or, you can just revert back to the old points you used for GS before January, but I don't really see the point of not putting "showrating" and "showguildrating" to use. They're practically the same from what I understood.

Either that, or something I posted earlier:


Regarding the whole 5 vs. 2 issue anyway, why don't you guys make it dynamically scale HP to team size? As in, if you're a team of 2 facing a team of 5, the team of 2 gets 7.5 hearts each (since the team of 5 has 15 HP total). I know there are some team sizes that won't divide perfectly, but any rough adjustment will be better than nothing. I don't know how easy that is to pull off. It's still very advantageous to the team of 5, but at least it softens it a bit. If that was the case then even the current leaderboard would be fine.

This would encourage GS guilds to stick together as they more be likely to qualify if they continually enter teams.  

Well, the whole issue resolves around the fact that the guild system is poor right now, so everything being suggested feels like a temporary fix until then. If there was a system in place that punished guilds when players left or were kicked and rewarded guilds for natural and positive activity, many of these guild-related issues would be fixed by proxy.

Guilds have practically no value and they're basically just a tag being used a vessel to get things in the easiest way possible. That's what encourages recycling tower guilds, it's what encourages temporary recruits to GS tags to improve GST seeding, etc. Staff know that though and I'm sure it's on their checklist for the future.  

Posted by fp4

can you explain why?

Jerret, it was a refreshing update with 1v1 sparring and so I give you Rufus and anyone else involved in the update props for that...But using the same system for guild-spar just doesn't work...I've tested out the leaderboard after GSing for a few hours over a span of a few days with guild members.

I just came up with a few criticisms:

-Guilds no longer lose points for losing spars in guild-spar...this encourages mass-recruiting by guilds with no real downfall as they'll just eventually get a high rank in the leaderboards with no real skill needing to be shown.

-The amount of points you get per win is insane...On average I think from my estimations from winning every spar...sparring every two spars it took 1hour to achieve just a LITTLE bit over 100 points.

-Makes guild-sparring seem like a pain...It's not really fun if you have to spend hours just to make it to the top 50...especially since it's top 32 to qualify for Mixed GST... Qualifying in GST should be most skilled not most active in my opinion.

-Top 50 shown...iDevice is top 64...Unless iDevice is moving to only 32 teams it's a pain to see where guilds rank and see if you can qualify for idevice or not.

-Guilds with a head-start...Some guilds had like a very big headstart in the new system which is hours of time saved by them and makes it harder for many of the guilds who don't GS that early on in the season having to catch up.

Advantages of current leaderboard:
-Encourages people to use their main tags and less practice tags.
-Gives newer less skilled guilds a good chance in qualifying for GST.
-Encourages activity with certain guilds a lot earlier in the season.


Possible improvements:

-Penalty for losing.

-Limit the amount of guilds you can GS with at BA for a time-span e.g. You can only GS at the BA with like 2/3 different guilds per-week...or any suitable time-frame...This would be to discourage people using practice tags for the time being until a more improved and thought out system is put in place. The problem with the last leaderboard was that many people were hesitant to use their main tag due to everyone using practice tags with low score which brought their score down lots...this always lead to many guilds selectively sparring at BA.

-Ratio having no affect on the GS score obtained...In the last leaderboard I saw that the better ratio you had in GS the more points you got per-win...I don't know if this was intentional but there was definitely a correlation between the two. I haven't really GS'd with different ratio guilds in this leaderboard but if this stayed could it please be removed.

-A bracket system sorted out e.g. will it remain being determined by your position in GS leaderboards or not...I think it should remain in your GS leaderboard rank because by the time it's the quarter finals/ semi finals it's only good teams left in both idevice and mixed GST which makes for some great matches...

-GS Streak room...This isn't really to do with the leaderboards but it'd make it much more fun getting points if there was a streak room.

-Better point scaling per win...Haven't really noticed a huge point increase when beating random teams and teams who are within the top #5.


EDIT: I might have repeated some points as Thallen didn't read his post till after I wrote this...

Also really tired when I wrote this so apologies if I repeated some points.