Posted by Brick

Our country didn't create this problem, our leaders did. And now the people of this country have to risk getting raped just because our leaders screwed these people over? When will the American people get priority? We shouldn't be electing people that create these kinds of problems in the first place.

So who should face the consequences of the leaders (that you elected) actions? Syria?

Why should American people get priority over Syrians? They shouldn't at all, the world doesn't revolve around America. You're also comparing the deaths of hundreds of thousands to a number of people getting raped. I get that it's not ideal at all but there's thousands of refugees who are of no risk and with careful vetting you make sure that those who are violent don't get through, anything is better than sending them all back.  

@Vendetta (did not feel quoting everything):

Trump states there will be a temporary suspension of immigration from countries that have histories of spawning terrorists. No one would be admitted until they passed an intensive background check. Attacks by individuals posing as refugees have already taken place in Europe. Some of these women and children have aided and abetted terrorist relatives in the US. With the poor documentation in 3rd World Countries and all the extreme issues going on, doubt sending thousands to the US (without vetting) will benefit us.

Spoiler

Fact: Only four of the 198 refugees who arrived on the Greek island of Leros that day were terrorists. That is just 2 percent. But that 2 percent were able to carry out an attack that killed at least 130 people.

Now if 2% were able to kill that amount, imagine the 65K she plans on bringing over to the US.

It is true that the vast majority of refugees are good people who are fleeing the carnage by ISIS. But fact of the matter is that Islamic radicals are using them as a cover to infiltrate operatives into the US. Like Trump said, "a Trojan horse".  

Posted by Bryan*

@Vendetta (did not feel quoting everything):

Trump states there will be a temporary suspension of immigration from countries that have histories of spawning terrorists. No one would be admitted until they passed an intensive background check. Attacks by individuals posing as refugees have already taken place in Europe. Some of these women and children have aided and abetted terrorist relatives in the US. With the poor documentation in 3rd World Countries and all the extreme issues going on, doubt sending thousands to the US (without vetting) will benefit us.

Spoiler

Fact: Only four of the 198 refugees who arrived on the Greek island of Leros that day were terrorists. That is just 2 percent. But that 2 percent were able to carry out an attack that killed at least 130 people.

Now if 2% were able to kill that amount, imagine the 65K she plans on bringing over to the US.

It is true that the vast majority of refugees are good people who are fleeing the carnage by ISIS. But fact of the matter is that Islamic radicals are using them as a cover to infiltrate operatives into the US. Like Trump said, "a Trojan horse".

The UK has taken in thousands of refugees, how many terrorists attacks have we had spawning from that? There a very few radicals using it as cover, of course the media will make a big deal about any that do.

In reality that sort of stuff will happen, although I don't really see it as a trojan horse. American lives are no more important than refugees, even if terrorist attacks occurred it would be nothing compared to the amount of lives saved. Don't forget the US are continuing drone strikes which are killing both terrorists and civilians.

America caused the conflict. They should clean up after it, not just ignore it.  

He just wants better vetting.

Also, I posted a video earlier where Hillary also said she thinks they should be sent back and we should build some sort of barricade to keep them out

Pretty sick that her team got hyped over the shooting of a black youth because they could use it for their political agenda, literally said how happy they were that the shooter was white  

I don't care whether or not America takes refugees in. I just want the politicians to hold their ****ing feet to the fire and accept responsibility for the possible negative outcomes on both sides. You have to accept that there's a very real possibility that if you take in thousands of refugees at once from an area where terrorism is abundant and blending in, then there might be ISIS terrorists that slip in through the system and attempt to harm the public. No one ever sais America is safe to begin with, so to me, it doesn't really matter what we do in regards of refugees. I just want the politicians to accept responsibility for their actions. But that won't happen.

Posted by Vendetta

The UK has taken in thousands of refugees, how many terrorists attacks have we had spawning from that? There a very few radicals using it as cover, of course the media will make a big deal about any that do.
In reality that sort of stuff will happen, although I don't really see it as a trojan horse. American lives are no more important than refugees, even if terrorist attacks occurred it would be nothing compared to the amount of lives saved. Don't forget the US are continuing drone strikes which are killing both terrorists and civilians.
America caused the conflict. They should clean up after it, not just ignore it.

That's not logic anyone uses. No one cares if we're saving more lives than we would lose by letting thousands of refugees in. People want to protect their families. That sort of stuff might happen, sure, but does that mean that because it might happen already, we should increase the chance for it to actually become reality? America didn't cause the conflict either, we just acted as the police country of the world for 7 years, then decided we'd drop out completely. We allowed it to happen, but we didn't actually cause it.

You saw my above comment that I don't actually care whether or not we bring refugees in. I'm just trying to challenge your thinking with what many who disagree are thinking.  

Posted by Brick

Our country didn't create this problem, our leaders did. And now the people of America have to risk getting raped just because our leaders screwed these Syrians over? When will the American people get priority? We shouldn't be electing people that create these kinds of problems in the first place.

Exactly, now we know the Clinton has accepted donations from MANY foreign entities. Having accepted money, she'll probably do favors FOR THEM instead of putting America first. Trump will probably have no one to do favors for and put America first.

Also, if you're talkin of Syrian refugees, then there should be either extreme vetting or a complete stop to this act. Jim Comey did say that in 2 or 3 years that some of the Syrian refugees(disguised terrorists) will cause WIDESPREAD terror and basically screw US over. I mean, I wanna live for as long as I can and experience the greatness of the world....

Im sure u agree that Trump should be president, rite?  

Didn't watch the whole thing, just the last few mins. I remember watching videos of supremacists a few years back. It does seem a lot stronger and more open now. Hopefully this kind of hate is healed soon.

 

Lmao it sounds worse and worse for america when DONALD TRUMP is actually sounding like a good idea for president xD

bwt america takes like 10,000 syrian refugees hardly groundbreaking help now, Uk take double that and small as fk in comparison. Even if you stopped taking them in people are already there(say for instance they all gd) they still can prey on mentally ill and unstable and we know they're fking thousands of them in us. Hi colleagues.  

Posted by Colin

He just wants better vetting.

Also, I posted a video earlier where Hillary also said she thinks they should be sent back and we should build some sort of barricade to keep them out

Pretty sick that her team got hyped over the shooting of a black youth because they could use it for their political agenda, literally said how happy they were that the shooter was white

"If I win, I'm going to say it right now and I'll say it to you. Those 200,000 people - they have to know this and the world will hear it - are going back."

You're right, he does also want better vetting. The US already has one of the most intensive vetting processes which takes between 18 months and 2 years, out of 750,000 refugees that have been taken in since 9/11 only three were arrested on terrorism charges (which took place back in their home country).

That video just showed that Hillary is against illegal immigrants coming into the country and that she voted to spend money on a barrier to prevent them from coming in.

Posted by PigParty

That's not logic anyone uses. No one cares if we're saving more lives than we would lose by letting thousands of refugees in. People want to protect their families. That sort of stuff might happen, sure, but does that mean that because it might happen already, we should increase the chance for it to actually become reality? America didn't cause the conflict either, we just acted as the police country of the world for 7 years, then decided we'd drop out completely. We allowed it to happen, but we didn't actually cause it.

So we should just let their families die right? It's not even a few, it's hundreds of thousands of innocent lives - and how many American lives have been lost due to the refugees?

America didn't directly cause the conflict but western countries definitely made it much worse, they have a duty to help the people that are suffering because of it.  

Ahaha, this lady is hilarious:

• Deletes her incriminating emails
• Gets cleared by FBI
• Praises the FBI
• Case gets a second look
• She demands "full transparency" about the emails that she herself deleted
• Claims this is a partisan attack on her campaign (LOL) and lies that only GOP leaders were told of it
• Urges people to get out and vote early during a "press conference" (her first in 18 months, she only took 3 question) about the investigation

Only downside of this is that now the 10,000+ remaining Wikileaks emails will take a backseat  

Posted by Vendetta

So we should just let their families die right? It's not even a few, it's hundreds of thousands of innocent lives - and how many American lives have been lost due to the refugees?

America didn't directly cause the conflict but western countries definitely made it much worse, they have a duty to help the people that are suffering because of it.

Like I said, that's not the logic that most people would use. Yes, it would save many more lives than it could potentially cost, but Americans (and people everywhere) are selfish, and rightfully so. It's not always a good thing, but people think about themselves and their families first.

There's also a bigger social issue involved in all this. That's why it's very important to thoroughly vet any refugees we do let in. Many people in America are biased towards Muslims and their religion, and it's sad. That's also why America needs to try their hardest to not allow more terrorists in the country.  

Also, American media isn't discussing how Hillary pushed for rigging the election in Palestine: https://soundcloud.com/user-30899546...mine-who-win-1  

Posted by PigParty

Like I said, that's not the logic that most people would use. Yes, it would save many more lives than it could potentially cost, but Americans (and people everywhere) are selfish, and rightfully so. It's not always a good thing, but people think about themselves and their families first.

There's also a bigger social issue involved in all this. That's why it's very important to thoroughly vet any refugees we do let in. Many people in America are biased towards Muslims and their religion, and it's sad. That's also why America needs to try their hardest to not allow more terrorists in the country.

As you said most people are selfish, they don't want what's best for the world - they want what's best for them. So does Trump, it's pretty obvious he doesn't give a **** about the rest of the world.

I get that people are going to want to put their families first, everyone does and you're always going to put your own people first. But it's thousands of Syrians versus several Americans, if that.

They're already doing careful vetting though, as I said before America have one of the most intensive vetting processes.  

Since Syria is practically your neighbor, they should be sent to the U.K. until our issues are resolved.  

Posted by Vendetta

As you said most people are selfish, they don't want what's best for the world - they want what's best for them. So does Trump, it's pretty obvious he doesn't give a **** about the rest of the world.

I get that people are going to want to put their families first, everyone does and you're always going to put your own people first. But it's thousands of Syrians versus several Americans, if that.

They're already doing careful vetting though, as I said before America have one of the most intensive vetting processes.

It's already hard to vet them and the problem is when people who say we should be taking more in, they don't realize what that actually means. We would have to take them in very soon, which means we couldn't thoroughly vet tens of thousands of refugees in that short amount of time. I'm not going to comment on how much Trump cares about others because I think most of the bull**** that comes out if his mouth is for show, not because it's what he really believes (in some cases) but there's a large amount of American citizens that do care about what happens to the refugees and they want them to be safe, but they still don't want to let them into America in mass amounts of numbers. Kind of humorous that people are attacking America for being selfish for its own people for the first time in history. We've lost plenty of lives fighting other people's wars, and we are still doing that to this day. But because we aren't letting in mass amounts of refugees into America, we're the bad guy. We all have to contribute somehow, and America has contributed far more than most, if not all other countries to fighting ISIS and Al-Qaeda.