Not sure if it's been brought up cause there's too many pages to read but how will the new guild spar system work with the upcoming gst? Just wondering so that I can see if the team I'm doing gst with, will need to build up points by sparring 5387876 times in the next 7 weeks to match up with the season's current scoreboard.  

Posted by LiA

Not sure if it's been brought up cause there's too many pages to read but how will the new guild spar system work with the upcoming gst? Just wondering so that I can see if the team I'm doing gst with, will need to build up points by sparring 5387876 times in the next 7 weeks to match up with the season's current scoreboard.

In the current system of guild sparring and points, you need to spar 24/7 in order to get anyway near the leader board if you're starting from nothing.  

"man we need something that prevents last minute GST teams"

ok now guilds have to GS to earn a spot

"man thats not fair people have to no-life it to make it to the GST"

Ok let's go back to square one.


How can you not love classic.  

Posted by GOAT

"man we need something that prevents last minute GST teams"

ok now guilds have to GS to earn a spot

"man thats not fair people have to no-life it to make it to the GST"

i have an idea for this. prob said it in my gst idea thread, but here we go again.

have a registration desk open 1 month before the gst.
close the registration a week before the gst.
all the qualified teams can enter this arena (made specifically for gst purposes and opens only during the gst week)
teams can only enter with their gst members, doesn't matter sub or core.  

Do what ph8 said. Half the seeding determined by this, the other half determined quicktourney style.  

Posted by Fulgore

Do what ph8 said. Half the seeding determined by this, the other half determined quicktourney style.

is the quicktourney like on a specific date? i dont get it but it sounds cool  

Leaderboards = guaranteed spot while everyone else has to win a spot via a qualifying bracket? Then again that might be more work than it's worth.  

Posted by Dusty

Leaderboards = guaranteed spot while everyone else has to win a spot via a qualifying bracket? Then again that might be more work than it's worth.

That doesn't fix the problem of the GS leaderboard essentially encouraging the behavior of spam recruiting everyone to get to the top

That does sound like way too much work, I'd be bored going through a qualifier tournament
It's already hard enough to get everyone online on the date of the GST

My post from the last page has several ways you can fix this: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...&postcount=328  

Posted by Thallen

That doesn't fix the problem of the GS leaderboard essentially encouraging the behavior of spam recruiting everyone to get to the top

That does sound like way too much work, I'd be bored going through a qualifier tournament
It's already hard enough to get everyone online on the date of the GST

My post from the last page has several ways you can fix this: http://www.graalians.com/forums/show...&postcount=328

On the majority of GSTs (for me at least) Classic lags like crazy, so it doesn't seem like a problem to get everyone online at them same time.  

Posted by Gitaz

On the majority of GSTs (for me at least) Classic lags like crazy, so it doesn't seem like a problem to get everyone online at them same time.

I think he meant getting his full team online and making room in their daily schedules for it.  

Screw a point system and a win system for GSt participation.

Only real GS guilds should be able to participate.  

Posted by GOAT

Screw a point system and a win system for GSt participation.

Only real GS guilds should be able to participate.

Thallen's idea would cement those guilds who have participated before a spot in the GST. Like how a host country gets an auto qualification in the FIFA World Cup, similarly.  

Posted by Droid

Thallen's idea would cement those guilds who have participated before a spot in the GST. Like how a host country gets an auto qualification in the FIFA World Cup, similarly.

I don't like the auto qualify suggestion at all.  

Posted by James205

I don't like the auto qualify suggestion at all.

Why not? I understand it means SL wouldn't qualify immediately but after a few more it will apply to you as well, if that's the qualm. I really don't mind top team privelage, as it just assumes the inevitable. It's like saying a 16-0 team in football shouldn't get a bye because they're on equal footing with a team that barely made it through a wildcard game. Clearly, the 16-0 had earned a spot. The only thing you really assume is that a guild like this wouldn't fail to beat a bunch of noob teams outside of like 5 to qualify, which is a pretty obvious assertion. Saying no because a guild like this "has a chance to lose to noobs" is pretty bad logic imo.  

Posted by Fulgore

Why not? I understand it means SL wouldn't qualify immediately but after a few more it will apply to you as well, if that's the qualm. I really don't mind top team privelage, as it just assumes the inevitable. It's like saying a 16-0 team in football shouldn't get a bye because they're on equal footing with a team that barely made it through a wildcard game. Clearly, the 16-0 had earned a spot. The only thing you really assume is that a guild like this wouldn't fail to beat a bunch of noob teams outside of like 5 to qualify, which is a pretty obvious assertion. Saying no because a guild like this "has a chance to lose to noobs" is pretty bad logic imo.

Logic doesn't work with football analogy. Football plays full seasons that go into playoff/tourney for position, they don't go by previous championships because it's not relevant to the current seasonal tournament. Their whole system relies around that current season for playoff positioning (as are most sports). It's also useless and doesn't clear up any of the problems and I don't see the point at all or what it would solve.

If there was like a season of GST and not just tourneys that would make more sense (where people battle for position... that was the point of the bracket system in the first place... but it's obviously skewed and that's what should be fixed). This also would make more people aiming to get into top guilds because of previous wins and easier ride. I'd like a fix where it's more spread out and not as risky for people who want to try a different guild/opportunity or try to create their own thing. Winning GST should just be what it is (and what it is in every other sport)... you won the championship, you got your hats/trophies, bragging rights and after the championship the season resets. Some guilds after winning/seasons adjust and their lineups change drastically over time... people leave/go on hiatus or quit ... does that mean that the guild that has 50%+ new people should just be auto top seed just because of their tag they are wearing has won previous GSTs?

Just because there is a dominant team in GST doesn't mean there should just be an exception for them to have a ride to top seed.

I just think the suggestion is boring and solves absolutely nothing. Every guild should have to work every season to get into seed position no matter what their previous GST records are. What happened in previous GSTs isn't relevant to the present upcoming GST nor should it ever be in terms of bracket positioning.

Every guild deserves a shot to being top seeded, even the nooby guilds... auto seed based on previous winners absolutely caters to previous GST winners. You wan't to create a system that gives equal chance for everyone new or old. That's just my opinion... going by previous GST wins is a poopy idea.