Posted by Caw

I recently loaded a body, it stays transparent in my folder and I can not sell it. What do I do ?

Don't trust that devilishly handsome Jarace! He only plans to steal your upload and then sell it on eBay for Fireproof hair gel to style the fire on his head! Don't believe me? Look below! I sneakily stole this from his bedroom. Who would you trust? A trustworthy fellow like me or a fireman with a grudge against snake people?  

I have a question regarding uploads, How come from what I experienced there seems to be a inconsistency between what is allowed and what isn't?

What i mean by that is Why is say one admin willing to approve a body when it has a cape which Jarace said earlier they are fine as long as it wasn't ripped from the game, But another admin will not approve it because it has a cape? Even if the cape is not ripped and taken from anything ingame.

This inconsistency has bugged me for a while. I understand there is inevitably going to be gray areas where it may be hard to decide, But on simple matters like it capes are allowed or not doesnt make much sense.  

Posted by Rusix

I have a question regarding uploads, How come from what I experienced there seems to be a inconsistency between what is allowed and what isn't?

What i mean by that is Why is say one admin willing to approve a body when it has a cape which Jarace said earlier they are fine as long as it wasn't ripped from the game, But another admin will not approve it because it has a cape? Even if the cape is not ripped and taken from anything ingame.

This inconsistency has bugged me for a while. I understand there is inevitably going to be gray areas where it may be hard to decide, But on simple matters like it capes are allowed or not doesnt make much sense.

There's a lot that could be at play here. Sometimes staff members return after leaving the team and come back after the rules have changed, then are confused by or forget the changes. Could also be miscommunication, maybe the body had something else wrong with it and the staff member didn't accurately communicate what needed to be changed. Mistakes can happen.

That said, it is hard to give a specific answer about what happened without more details. If what you're describing happened to you recently, please message me privately with the details and I will do my best to clear up any misunderstandings, regardless of the party responsible.  

I understand the ruling about neck accesories on heads, but should/does this apply to direct recolors of heads already among the default set?

For example, the attached file is a direct recolor of a head seen on page 21 and page 50, yet in the past it was denied, (later accepted but refunded shortly after)  

Posted by Fulgore

For example, the attached file is a direct recolor of a head seen on page 21 and page 50, (accepted but refunded shortly after)

not uncommon for staff to refund bad edits  

Posted by Fulgore

I understand the ruling about neck accesories on heads, but should/does this apply to direct recolors of heads already among the default set?

For example, the attached file is a direct recolor of a head seen on page 21 and page 50, yet in the past it was denied, (later accepted but refunded shortly after)

Yes, this applies to recolors of heads from the default set. If staff refunded it shortly after approval, it was probably approved by mistake.  

After 4 years of having a shield that people have been using as a door in conjunction with a statue (seeing as though furniture objects have not been supplied to make such an item usable in designs) some one has decided to delete it.

I've drawn up the attached shield, which looks like a door and functions as a shield.
What rules does this break and how can it be made acceptable?

 

Posted by 4-Lom

After 4 years of having a shield that people have been using as a door in conjunction with a statue (seeing as though furniture objects have not been supplied to make such an item usable in designs) some one has decided to delete it.

I've drawn up the attached shield, which looks like a door and functions as a shield.
What rules does this break and how can it be made acceptable?

Attachment 25646

It follows the same logic as not allowing hats on heads. We sell furniture, so we can't allow people to create shields that act as it. It wasn't explicitly spelled out in the rules, so I'll add this specific information so there is no further confusion  

Posted by Jarace

It follows the same logic as not allowing hats on heads. We sell furniture, so we can't allow people to create shields that act as it. It wasn't explicitly spelled out in the rules, so I'll add this specific information so there is no further confusion

Alright, but the game does not sell doors. Therefore I personally think it should be allowed  

Posted by Reggie*

Alright, but the game does not sell doors. Therefore I personally think it should be allowed

Ok, but the same argument could be made for a lot of things. The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. The game doesn't sell this hat I made, why can't I put it on my head and submit it?

My suggestion to 4-Lom - maybe submit the door as furniture to [email protected]. I think it's a cool idea and as much as I'd like to let people do the thing he did, it opens the door for people to create entirely custom furniture sets using statues.  

Posted by Jarace

Ok, but the same argument could be made for a lot of things. The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. The game doesn't sell this hat I made, why can't I put it on my head and submit it?

My suggestion to 4-Lom - maybe submit the door as furniture to [email protected]. I think it's a cool idea and as much as I'd like to let people do the thing he did, it opens the door for people to create entirely custom furniture sets using statues.

Alright, and I apologize for the arguing but. The game does not sell doors whatsoever,. Nor does it have templates for it. And since oh ".The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. " it wouldnt be the same because the game has not offered buying doors.....If I am correct, what you said and I said would be two different things  

Posted by Jarace

Ok, but the same argument could be made for a lot of things. The game doesn't sell my version of this chair. The game doesn't sell this hat I made, why can't I put it on my head and submit it?

My suggestion to 4-Lom - maybe submit the door as furniture to [email protected]. I think it's a cool idea and as much as I'd like to let people do the thing he did, it opens the door for people to create entirely custom furniture sets using statues.

I've tried to make waterfalls, windows, doors, chimneys, and tons of other objects that are simply not provided. There are objects released in-game that are not made into buyable furniture every year.

The catch here, is that a door being used as a shield is a silly thing to be disallowing. There's no in-game advantage to it's use. There's nothing but cosmetic use on a statue, possibly misdirecting (?) a player in a house layout. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of 'stalls' and other buildings and structures that are clearly objects of furniture that have been uploaded and are currently used in game, both including objects with in-game graphics and without.

I've used the colors in this particular example from the in-game door but otherwise made it from scratch. Why is it any different from making a noodle stand (robtakoyaki-shield.png), a small store (mikemart-shield.png), or any of countless codeshop shields that are used in the same manner?

Alternatively, if I upload a portion of the image in one shield, making it only a portion of the graphic, then upload a second shield with a second portion of the graphic... it just gets ridiculous so quickly to think of placing 4-5 statues with stray pixels to make a single image.

Posted by Reggie*

not offered buying doors...

There was a door. Limited time only, boarded up door from halloween. It was 1500g and meh iirc.  

Posted by 4-Lom

There was a door. Limited time only, boarded up door from halloween. It was 1500g and meh iirc.

Didn't even know about it..or if I did. It is only one version..  

Posted by 4-Lom

I've tried to make waterfalls, windows, doors, chimneys, and tons of other objects that are simply not provided. There are objects released in-game that are not made into buyable furniture every year.

The catch here, is that a door being used as a shield is a silly thing to be disallowing. There's no in-game advantage to it's use. There's nothing but cosmetic use on a statue, possibly misdirecting (?) a player in a house layout. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of 'stalls' and other buildings and structures that are clearly objects of furniture that have been uploaded and are currently used in game, both including objects with in-game graphics and without.

I've used the colors in this particular example from the in-game door but otherwise made it from scratch. Why is it any different from making a noodle stand (robtakoyaki-shield.png), a small store (mikemart-shield.png), or any of countless codeshop shields that are used in the same manner?

Alternatively, if I upload a portion of the image in one shield, making it only a portion of the graphic, then upload a second shield with a second portion of the graphic... it just gets ridiculous so quickly to think of placing 4-5 statues with stray pixels to make a single image.


There was a door. Limited time only, boarded up door from halloween. It was 1500g and meh iirc.

Of the shields you've made for the purpose of furniture, the ones I've seen have broken other rules. The door you showed me above is too large and covers the entirety of the player's body. If I recall correctly, the waterfall had the same issue but was also ripped directly from the files, as you said. I don't see an issue with a door shield that otherwise breaks no rules, but for it to be the size of the actual tiles for a door it would have to be too large to be a shield.

The stalls aren't allowed if they cover all of the player's body. If you see any that break this rule let me know and they will be removed, though it's entirely possible they pre-date the uploading system.

That stuff aside, instead of skating around the uploading rules, why not just submit it as furniture? Even if your versions aren't accepted, maybe it would inspire graphics staff to make their own versions of such furniture. And if this furniture ends up being made, it would likely be cheaper than buying a statue and a custom shield.

Posted by Reggie*

Didn't even know about it..or if I did. It is only one version..

This is my point about the chair thing, do you see that now?  

Posted by Jarace

Of the shields you've made for the purpose of furniture, the ones I've seen have broken other rules. The door you showed me above is too large and covers the entirety of the player's body. If I recall correctly, the waterfall had the same issue but was also ripped directly from the files, as you said. I don't see an issue with a door shield that otherwise breaks no rules, but for it to be the size of the actual tiles for a door it would have to be too large to be a shield.

The stalls aren't allowed if they cover all of the player's body. If you see any that break this rule let me know and they will be removed, though it's entirely possible they pre-date the uploading system.

That stuff aside, instead of skating around the uploading rules, why not just submit it as furniture? Even if your versions aren't accepted, maybe it would inspire graphics staff to make their own versions of such furniture. And if this furniture ends up being made, it would likely be cheaper than buying a statue and a custom shield.


This is my point about the chair thing, do you see that now?

Having a slightly hard time understanding and Yes I see the idea with the chair.

Love the idea. Love making it into a furniture..except for the fact that we have to wait 6 months.

My idea with the shield is making it small enough to where is passes everything and then we use walls to cover the rest (Like we originally did before it was deleted.).

Here is what I did