Is Graal getting Better or Worse? - 3

Heeble · 01-28-2016

Comparison given that iClassic developers are volunteering, as I would assume:

RuneScape Development on a QUEST released December 14, 2015:

Concepted by a PLAYER
Developers had to communicate with said PLAYER and agree on what to add and what not to add
Story mapped out
Legal document work
Concept art of update
3D rendering of NPCs
Scripting of everything
Re-creating the island
Writing the story script
Playtesting
Debugging
Announcement of upcoming quest
Releasing the quest
Optimization and further bug testing based on player experience and feedback
PAYCHECKS AND BUDGETS

iClassic (probable) development of the Library Nexus

Concept and agreement with developers and Unixmad
Making of GFX
Creating the levels
Scripting
Making furniture and hats
Ensuring copyright is not an issue
One week deadline (assumed from rufus' statement)
Real world issues of developers
NPC dialogue
No budget
Time

Development is NOT as easy as it seems. It is definitely NOT fast when the work is VOLUNTARY and not full-time.

Also note that the development of the RuneScape quest was not started for over 2 months due to the legal documents and concept needed to start.

Aguzo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Rufus

Of course it would. Why would you expect something big to come out next week when something big came out this week? Unrealistic expectations like that are created by yourself. I don't think there has been anything wrong with the output of this year so far, so I don't think a thread like this is necessary.

Rufus · 01-28-2016

Posted by Aguzo

Yeah, we aren't qualified. It has nothing at all to do with what either I or Dusty have posted in this thread.

Fulgore · 01-28-2016

"If they don't put exactly what I want in this game then its bad and should put stuff I demand in because I demand it."

What a spoiled mindset. If you want to play Graal, then play it as it is. If you think it's really that bad due to lack of Aguzoness then don't play it. Seems pretty simple. Suggesting ideas is one thing but this is a very far extreme.

Aguzo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Fulgore

"If they don't put exactly what I want in this game then its bad and should put stuff I demand in because I demand it."

What a spoiled mindset. If you want to play Graal, then play it as it is. If you think it's really that bad due to lack of Aguzoness then don't play it. Seems pretty simple. Suggesting ideas is one thing but this is a very far extreme.

How is it spoiled? Stop yanking, because you can clearly see that I'm not the only one wanting a change, especially for the housing systems.

Areo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Aguzo

Areo
[spoiler]

So their skill level is at the 60k mark? They should really be getting paid (if they don't already). I remember doost and cuko making a thread or posting about how they were quitting and would no longer be a part of the dev team. Makes me wonder what changed their mind to not quit? Did they say that, so they would get paid? Maybe it wasn't true? If not, then they should be getting paid, along with the age 13+ staff members.

[B]It's not whether they like the idea or not, it's when players keep insisting for them to be implemented. I'm not talking about some idea that one user has posted, I'm talking about the one's that keep getting reposted.

1. I was not saying what their skill level is at nor what their work was worth. I was stating the average workers salary.

2. You'd have to ask Dusty and Coco on why they didn't leave.

3. You act as though paying people is easy. Again, I doubt they make enough to give them enough to the point where it would be a career.

4. Just because players ask for an idea does not mean it should be done. Think of trade tables, which, for the record, is the most reposted idea of all.

Aguzo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Areo

1. I was not saying what their skill level is at nor what their worth was worth. I was stating the average workers salary.

2. You'd have to ask Dusty and Coco on why they didn't leave.

3. You act as though paying people is easy. Again, I doubt they make enough to give them enough to the point where it would be a career.

4. Just because players ask for an idea does not mean it should be done. Think of trade tables, which, for the record, is the most reposted idea of all.

3. Wouldn't even a small amount be at least something of a compensation.

4. Did I mention trade tables?

Areo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Aguzo

3. Wouldn't even a small amount be at least something of a compensation.

4. Did I mention trade tables?

4. No, but you certainly weren't very specific in your response to me.

3. So they get a little compensation, then what? They go and get a job. Doesn't change how much time they have to spend on classic. Im not saying they don't deserve compensation, but they have bills to pay.

Bryan* · 01-28-2016

Hire Alpho, case closed.

Aguzo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Areo

3. So they get a little compensation, then what? They go and get a job. Doesn't change how much time they have to spend on classic. Im not saying they don't deserve compensation, but they have bills to pay.

Look oreo, I have no idea what you are evern trying to imply?

"Doesn't change how much time they have to spend on classic."
They are spending a lot of time, and should be getting paid for their efforts.

"I'm not saying they don't deserve compensation, but they have bills to pay"???
You are very confusing, what do you think pays bills? A hobby? A job without pay (hobby...)? "But they have bills to pay", well then they deserve to get paid.

Areo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Aguzo

Look oreo, I have no idea what you are evern trying to imply?

"Doesn't change how much time they have to spend on classic."
They are spending a lot of time, and should be getting paid for their efforts.

"I'm not saying they don't deserve compensation, but they have bills to pay"???
You are very confusing, what do you think pays bills? A hobby? A job without pay (hobby...)? "But they have bills to pay", well then they deserve to get paid.

Nice "Oreo" joke, not like I've seen that 500 times already.

Second of all, you miss the point of my posts. You can pick apart my posts so they don't make sense, look at what I said in the previous paragraph.

My point is this; they have a limited amount of time to create and produce updates because they have lives.

Done posting in this thread, too much time spent reiterating the same statements.

Bryan* · 01-28-2016

I just want Devs to add quests that lasts for days or a multitude of them like in Skyrim, Dragon Age, WoW.

Wickodd · 01-28-2016

I think Classic's getting better little by little. It's already a great game anyways. Some of your ideas might be nice, but Classic isn't going to die just because they aren't added in right away, or at all. You said you've been playing for six years, so it's no surprise that the main functions of the game may have grown stale for you. Which is why you're suggesting new things to do, or to change certain aspects. I know you don't want to give up on a game you've loved and played for so long, but the majority of players are actually quite happy with how Graal is progressing. They come on to chat with friends, do some activities like sparring, joining a random towering guild, or make some gralats. It's a very relaxed game, and most people are fine with things, and get excited for things like a Nexus opening or an upcoming holiday. For someone who's done all there is to do over and over for years, it would get boring, especially if the social aspect is lacking for them. I don't think Graal really needs some new big "game changer". The new leaderboards haven't even lasted a season yet. New content will be added slowly, so just relax.

Aguzo · 01-28-2016

Posted by Bryan*

Quit arguing. Hire Aplho.

Milk's favorite cookie, doesn't understand that paying the devs would most likely make them more interested in the game, thus would result in them working a lot more.

That's if they don't get paid. What are they? Interns? Hobbyists? They do a lot as is, and with some money they would do a lot more.

@anikan

No one is in a hurry, it's just weird that the devs aren't listening to the players. I'm not the only one posting said ideas, look at the other post including a ton of housing thread reposts.

I can't even really say that it's the devs that aren't implementing new things (not hats). Might just be Toonslab setting the priority to gralat packs, instead of the dev team (which would then make their word on any new update be meaningless). If so, then they need to grow some and tell their bosses that a lot of players are asking for certain things.

Want me to do it? Doubt unix would care, but if it's fear towards your boss, then I'll do it.

Housing updates, could easily favor both Unix and the players. Unix could make more money off of a shop that sells house themes, expansions, etc. While the players get more customization and more space to put things in, whilst making houses even more social.

Ash Ketchum · 01-28-2016

Posted by Rufus

regardless of the 'skill' of the people involved, things still take time.

Posted by Dusty

Even with the most skilled of developers content still takes time.

Posted by Dusty

Updates are time consuming to make. And you can only really do one thing at a time. We can't magically make big updates while also pushing out small updates that keep players interested on a month-to-month basis.

Posted by Dusty

Just because someone suggests something doesn't mean it's good, or feasible, or likely. There's always a very long to-do list, but you can only cross off so many things at a time with the finite time we have.

Posted by Dusty

Did you not read anything about what I said when I said overhauling an entire system like the guild system would be a huge undertaking and time-consuming. You assume when I say that it's because we don't want to do it... no, it just means we can't magically make it appear overnight.

Posted by Dusty

And assume a player makes a really good suggestion? Then what? We immediately start working on that and stop working on what we already started on?

Aguzo do you even read???

Poll Results: Satisfaction Level?
9.09%	I like the game, and I feel no need for improvements
36.36%	I like the game, but there needs to be more improvements that people have been asking for
11.69%	I don't like game, may/or may not be due to the improvement deficiency
25.97%	Aguzo is too old to be playing a 9+ game. He needs go get a job!
16.88%	The devs need to be paid/paid more. Packs of Bens, not Gralats
Voters: 77. You may not vote on this poll

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Wickodd Seeker of Truth Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 234	I think Classic's getting better little by little. It's already a great game anyways. Some of your ideas might be nice, but Classic isn't going to die just because they aren't added in right away, or at all. You said you've been playing for six years, so it's no surprise that the main functions of the game may have grown stale for you. Which is why you're suggesting new things to do, or to change certain aspects. I know you don't want to give up on a game you've loved and played for so long, but the majority of players are actually quite happy with how Graal is progressing. They come on to chat with friends, do some activities like sparring, joining a random towering guild, or make some gralats. It's a very relaxed game, and most people are fine with things, and get excited for things like a Nexus opening or an upcoming holiday. For someone who's done all there is to do over and over for years, it would get boring, especially if the social aspect is lacking for them. I don't think Graal really needs some new big "game changer". The new leaderboards haven't even lasted a season yet. New content will be added slowly, so just relax. Last edited by Wickodd; 01-28-2016 at 10:56 PM. Reason: put "towering" between random and guild

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Heeble Registered User Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Neverland Posts: 497	Comparison given that iClassic developers are volunteering, as I would assume: RuneScape Development on a QUEST released December 14, 2015: Concepted by a PLAYER Developers had to communicate with said PLAYER and agree on what to add and what not to add Story mapped out Legal document work Concept art of update 3D rendering of NPCs Scripting of everything Re-creating the island Writing the story script Playtesting Debugging Announcement of upcoming quest Releasing the quest Optimization and further bug testing based on player experience and feedback PAYCHECKS AND BUDGETS iClassic (probable) development of the Library Nexus Concept and agreement with developers and Unixmad Making of GFX Creating the levels Scripting Making furniture and hats Ensuring copyright is not an issue One week deadline (assumed from rufus' statement) Real world issues of developers NPC dialogue No budget Time Development is NOT as easy as it seems. It is definitely NOT fast when the work is VOLUNTARY and not full-time. Also note that the development of the RuneScape quest was not started for over 2 months due to the legal documents and concept needed to start.

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Fulgore Python Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 1,894	"If they don't put exactly what I want in this game then its bad and should put stuff I demand in because I demand it." What a spoiled mindset. If you want to play Graal, then play it as it is. If you think it's really that bad due to lack of Aguzoness then don't play it. Seems pretty simple. Suggesting ideas is one thing but this is a very far extreme.

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Bryan* Verified ✔️ Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: M.I.A Posts: 3,408	Hire Alpho, case closed.