Factions - 3

MrSimons · 08-07-2014

Posted by Tashkin

As for the squads they are a money generator for the server. Meaning higher ups wont want that removed. Obvious reasons as to why it wont be removed. lol

Could it be possible to incorporate some sort of way for people to spend money on Factions?

Theres already the idea of paying to leave, which by itself could generate a lot of money spent. There could also be a smaller fee to join a different faction, as well as maybe a fee to be able join factions at all. Maybe some faction specific things could be made purchasable (upon leaving the faction the item is removed and you get a 25% refund or something).

I think by brainstorming a few ideas for ways that players could spend money on factions there could actually be more money being spent on factions then there would be for squads.

kenthefruit · 08-07-2014

Posted by MrSimons

Could it be possible to incorporate some sort of way for people to spend money on Factions?

Theres already the idea of paying to leave, which by itself could generate a lot of money spent. There could also be a smaller fee to join a different faction, as well as maybe a fee to be able join factions at all. Maybe some faction specific things could be made purchasable (upon leaving the faction the item is removed and you get a 25% refund or something).

I think by brainstorming a few ideas for ways that players could spend money on factions there could actually be more money being spent on factions then there would be for squads.

There could be free gear/weapons you get by leveling up and on the Faction's planet a store for that specific faction where you can also buy weapons/gear that can only be used when you're in that faction. (this would not be the same items from leveling up).

Tashkin · 08-07-2014

Posted by MrSimons

Could it be possible to incorporate some sort of way for people to spend money on Factions?

Theres already the idea of paying to leave, which by itself could generate a lot of money spent. There could also be a smaller fee to join a different faction, as well as maybe a fee to be able join factions at all. Maybe some faction specific things could be made purchasable (upon leaving the faction the item is removed and you get a 25% refund or something).

I think by brainstorming a few ideas for ways that players could spend money on factions there could actually be more money being spent on factions then there would be for squads.

That fee wasn't to leave the faction it was to join another one. Maybe the fee should be to leave it instead. Squads generate a lot of gralats spent. So would have to match it or do better. I highly doubt that would happen. Refunds as always is a no go. Not even worth mentioning...

Keeluah · 08-07-2014

What is being spent for squads? The squad themselves is like 2000 gralats and another 2000 for allies and that's pretty much it. I guess you can count squad stations putting in five dollars each, but you can make them just like regular ships and people would still buy them. If you are saying people are buying guns for their squads, that's pretty much PKing itself that their spending guns on, not the squad.

Now this is just a suggestion.
If you really want to produce income, my idea would be to remove Iricia and CTF from squads and have it used for factions. Reverse Iricia back to how it was in release and make it so each faction versus each other in the two planets like so:

What we will do for the factions themselves is have them reset every week. Anytime of the week a player pays to join a random faction for the week. The goals of the factions is to win the most games in Iricia and CTF by the end of the week and/or accumulate the most kills as a faction, planets and skyworld kills counts towards it. The two faction with either most wins and/or most kills will let every player in the faction will earn a reward, and top few players with the most kills during the week in the faction will earn a larger reward, but the problem with this idea is that you can't really involve leveling up a faction and people cannot really accumulate items for a specific faction and cannot choose a faction on their own. This idea is just to throw out there in case if it does sound interesting and allows the higher ups to earn money since players have to join and pay a small fee every week.

Tashkin · 08-07-2014

Posted by Killua*

What is being spent for squads? The squad themselves is like 2000 gralats and another 2000 for allies and that's pretty much it. I guess you can count squad stations putting in five dollars each, but you can make them just like regular ships and people would still buy them. If you are saying people are buying guns for their squads, that's pretty much PKing itself that their spending guns on, not the squad.

It's 2k to create and 2k for the alliance. It also cost 1k to rename which is where the spending is actually coming from. We have tons of squad name changes each day. I can give the exact amount being made because I am not allowed to but a good amount of gralats are removed from squads alone.

Posted by Killua*

Now this is just a suggestion.
If you really want to produce income, my idea would be to remove Iricia and CTF from squads and have it used for factions. Reverse Iricia back to how it was in release and make it so each faction versus each other in the two planets like so:

Iricia is already back to how it was on release. As for setting it up for just factions we would have to change a lot of systems to do so. Would have to discuss that with them first.

Posted by Killua*

What we will do for the factions themselves is have them reset every week. Anytime of the week a player pays to join a random faction for the week. The goals of the factions is to win the most games in Iricia and CTF by the end of the week and/or accumulate the most kills as a faction, planets and skyworld kills counts towards it. The two faction with either most wins and/or most kills will let every player in the faction will earn a reward, and top few players with the most kills during the week in the faction will earn a larger reward, but the problem with this idea is that you can't really involve leveling up a faction and people cannot really accumulate items for a specific faction and cannot choose a faction on their own. This idea is just to throw out there in case if it does sound interesting and allows the higher ups to earn money since players have to join and pay a small fee every week.

I think these guys that started this had a different idea in place for factions. So lets wait for their response. I don't think resetting factions weekly or in any time frame is a good idea. These guys want something with progression. Something they work towards and can keep doing so. Not having to start fresh all the time.

Keeluah · 08-07-2014

Players, y u rename so much!

kenthefruit · 08-07-2014

I prefer the original faction idea(s). To be honest, they sound more fun and more original. Just doing CTF and Iricia the entire time sounds quite boring and seems repetitive. But this is just my opinion. I had Factions in the mindset of Raiding each other's Faction Planet for a reward if you successfully raid, or successfully defend.

Red Faction raids Blue Faction. Blue Faction warded off Red Faction for set time (whatever each raid lasts for). Blue Faction earns set gralats and exp!

and vice versa

5hift · 08-07-2014

On the topic of gear obtained from factions, they shouldn't really be given out for free or be crazy expensive.

I think when a player joins a faction they get a low-tier set of clothes or a weapon for free to start and they can buy new more high-end clothes and weapons with some currency used specifically for factions. Call it a Faction Coin if you want.

Nyte* · 08-07-2014

Posted by Tashkin

I think these guys that started this had a different idea in place for factions. So lets wait for their response. I don't think resetting factions weekly or in any time frame is a good idea. These guys want something with progression. Something they work towards and can keep doing so. Not having to start fresh all the time.

Exactly this. It should be something with depth and longevity in which players are striving to get the next piece of gear, players should want to stay in their current faction and resent joining a new faction to start all over to hopefully keep the factions even and balanced.

Keeluah · 08-07-2014

Posted by Tashkin

Iricia is already back to how it was on release. As for setting it up for just factions we would have to change a lot of systems to do so. Would have to discuss that with them first.

Didn't know about this :0 I might be coming back in the next few weeks, so I'm going to look forward to that.
Yeah my idea isn't the best, sorry, just something I just thought up of at the spot and wrote it all down.

CM · 08-07-2014

Posted by Tashkin

I am not sure that we have enough players to support 6 factions right now. We could possibly start out with 4 factions. This would keep the teams fairly even.

My questions our should we make players choose a faction and they have to stay on that faction permanently. This could be bad in my opinion in-case friends change or they were forced to join this faction due to another one already having to many players.

Should we make it so they have to pay to leave their faction on join another one. (I support this obviously) We would want to make it a decent amount because we don't want players switching factions constantly.

I think if we go the second route that items from the previous faction should obviously be removed from the player. Don't need non-faction members using another factions weapons.

We need to get a list of possible ideas for doing this system. What exactly should each faction do? Where should they do their task? Should the factions level up? Should the player in the faction game levels within the faction? Etc.

How can we get players to actually participate in this? A lot of players go out an do their own thing. If we were to have factions we would need to make sure that this is actually being used. So this is a very important thing to discuss. Answers like oh don't worry they will do it are not enough.

If you want me to take this seriously then you all will need to as well. Otherwise I will not waste my time nor my staffs time even thinking about this system. So start discussing and keep this thread on topic and clean of arguments and vulgar language. It will not be tolerated and will be seen as not taking any of this seriously. Think about it and discuss. I will watch this thread.

tl;dr: Read it anyway you need to.

Faction before blood.

Maybe make some kind of event where once a year or something you can change your faction after meeting a certain amount of requirements in your current faction. For example, you have to reach a certain level in a faction in irder to be able to switch. And, of course, once you switch your faction you lose all of your faction boosts, faction experience and other stuff you received in a faction.

Tashkin · 08-07-2014

Posted by CM CM

Faction before blood.

Maybe make some kind of event where once a year or something you can change your faction after meeting a certain amount of requirements in your current faction. For example, you have to reach a certain level in a faction in irder to be able to switch. And, of course, once you switch your faction you lose all of your faction boosts, faction experience and other stuff you received in a faction.

I will just charge them to leave the faction. It will be fine. Now lets get the answers to my first large post answered.

Cookie Xanadu · 08-07-2014

Posted by Tashkin

I will just charge them to leave the faction. It will be fine. Now lets get the answers to my first large post answered.

Ya'll gots ta get on this. I can't persuade him alone... my bluff is only level 15

Platinum · 08-07-2014

Faction themes should support play styles/ideas. Similar to Divergent's factions, but instead of personality traits they're sorted out into PKers, role-players, etc.

Also, when they are created I believe that players should be sorted randomly into groups, based on their stats. We should split up cliques as much as possible so we do not have the same hat chasers in the same faction, as well as having balanced factions.

PerfectDark · 08-07-2014

Hey, I was browsing the graalians forums and I came across this thread. It looks like an idea is starting to come together but it looks like more people need to collaborate to create a solid idea for a new system on zone.

Posted by Sir

Can each faction get their own hideout/ hang out where only they can enter?

This isn't the most crucial part of this idea. I would answer Tashkin's questions :p but that is just me.

Posted by Tashkin

Squads will not be removed.

Hm, I agree and disagree with this. I agree that since we have squads, it takes an amount of gralats out of the "economy" which in a way sells gralat packs and encourages people to do jobs. I disagree with the idea of squads staying the way they are if a faction system is put in place. (OMG PD is disagreeing with Tashkin) From looking at the thread, I would have to say that the faction system would either integrate the squads in some neat way (Tashkin might be thinking this), or completely replace squads where we would have to make up the shortage in some way in addition to charging a fee for someone to leave their faction.

Oh, by the way, we both forgot one other paid feature to the squad system, the alliances.

Below is an updated list of prices related to the squad system:

Squad Creation: 2,000 Gralats
Renaming a Squad: 1,000 Gralats
Create/Enable Alliances: 2,000 Gralats

Anyways, that is just some of my quick thoughts on this thread.

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Keeluah Too much anime? psh Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Not Japan ;( Posts: 1,021	What is being spent for squads? The squad themselves is like 2000 gralats and another 2000 for allies and that's pretty much it. I guess you can count squad stations putting in five dollars each, but you can make them just like regular ships and people would still buy them. If you are saying people are buying guns for their squads, that's pretty much PKing itself that their spending guns on, not the squad. Now this is just a suggestion. If you really want to produce income, my idea would be to remove Iricia and CTF from squads and have it used for factions. Reverse Iricia back to how it was in release and make it so each faction versus each other in the two planets like so: What we will do for the factions themselves is have them reset every week. Anytime of the week a player pays to join a random faction for the week. The goals of the factions is to win the most games in Iricia and CTF by the end of the week and/or accumulate the most kills as a faction, planets and skyworld kills counts towards it. The two faction with either most wins and/or most kills will let every player in the faction will earn a reward, and top few players with the most kills during the week in the faction will earn a larger reward, but the problem with this idea is that you can't really involve leveling up a faction and people cannot really accumulate items for a specific faction and cannot choose a faction on their own. This idea is just to throw out there in case if it does sound interesting and allows the higher ups to earn money since players have to join and pay a small fee every week.

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kenthefruit 🍇🍏🍋🍊🍒 Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,330	I prefer the original faction idea(s). To be honest, they sound more fun and more original. Just doing CTF and Iricia the entire time sounds quite boring and seems repetitive. But this is just my opinion. I had Factions in the mindset of Raiding each other's Faction Planet for a reward if you successfully raid, or successfully defend. Red Faction raids Blue Faction. Blue Faction warded off Red Faction for set time (whatever each raid lasts for). Blue Faction earns set gralats and exp! and vice versa

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5hift ✔️TURBO✔️VERIFIED✔️ Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Larunda Relay Posts: 6,481	On the topic of gear obtained from factions, they shouldn't really be given out for free or be crazy expensive. I think when a player joins a faction they get a low-tier set of clothes or a weapon for free to start and they can buy new more high-end clothes and weapons with some currency used specifically for factions. Call it a Faction Coin if you want.

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Platinum Back from the dead? Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 2,533	Faction themes should support play styles/ideas. Similar to Divergent's factions, but instead of personality traits they're sorted out into PKers, role-players, etc. Also, when they are created I believe that players should be sorted randomly into groups, based on their stats. We should split up cliques as much as possible so we do not have the same hat chasers in the same faction, as well as having balanced factions.