The word Gay is unfairly banned - 3

Tyler · 10-14-2011

Posted by Maikeru

Lol... you too!? xD
I don't think they checked the scripting correctly

Lol ikr.

Rufus · 10-14-2011

Let's be real here. Don't say "gay means happy" because the word does not mean the same as it did in the 19th century. In today's vocabulary we've got a double meaning for the word gay: one for homosexuals and one is akin to something that is dumb. If you replace "gay" with a different minority when attempting to insult something it just doesn't come out the same way. When it is used it is not used in a derogatory way towards homosexuals--unlike another three letter word beginning with F--it is a word that this our generation has adopted a double meaning for, like it or not.

When people discuss this topic it's always like, "I hate when people use the word that way, it's so upsetting to gays!" yet I don't know a single gay person that gives a ****. It's the straight people that are all "supportive of gays" who care. By censoring the word however you are (in my opinion) pushing the negative connotation of the derivative onto the sexuality (gay is bad, essentially) and that kind of namby-pamby solution is what keeps the problem you're trying to address alive. People aren't going to abide by your filter, they're going to evade it, so all you're really doing is carrying the connotation. There is a purpose for a cuss filter on this game, but the word "gay" shouldn't be in it. That is why it isn't in the large list of words that are in this forum's filter.

Crono · 10-14-2011

Rufus i'd go as far as to say that *** also went down the same path. When I call someone a ******, it's because they are acting like ****s (yet another word that doesn't mean what it's supposed to), not because they are showing homosexual qualities (although if you wear pink jeans I will jokingly call you a ***).

iHot · 10-14-2011

Posted by NYN

I am a huge supporter of gay rights having grown up with homosexuals close to me and living in NYC.

Unfortunately the word has been abused a lot and has developed a negative context across Graalonline. It's sadly irritating. That's why it was censored. This was probably before I was staff. I'll see what I can do to reverse that.

I hear you NYN but you have those players who act like they are all cool cause they overuse the word gay.

MrSimons · 10-15-2011

U used to not be able to say grape...

Tyler · 10-15-2011

Posted by Mr.$imons

U used to not be able to say grape...

Lol really?

Rexx · 10-15-2011

^ g[rape]

Cat612 · 10-16-2011

Posted by Maikeru

Gay = "carefree", "happy", or "bright and showy"
Why remove the word if its meaning is not a bad one?

That's like saying they shouldn't ban sh*t because it just means poop and no one finds poop all too offensive.

Yephenpeace · 10-17-2011

Posted by Rufus

Let's be real here. Don't say "gay means happy" because the word does not mean the same as it did in the 19th century.

Agreed, i laughed a little when i read some comments that said that.

Dusty · 10-17-2011

Just another reason I support clientside optional filtering. Giving the player the choice to opt out of censoring means people won't have a reason to avoid it. This means better censoring for the players who DO want words censoring, because it will always be very easy to evade a censor.

Tricxta · 10-17-2011

^ dusty is right on the money

and so I support it!

Azrael · 10-17-2011

I'd be down with Clientsided Censorship. I'll suggest this idea.

Sungwonc01 · 10-18-2011

personally i have no problem with gays and i really dont see why it should be banned. alot of people say "gey" and other deviations so its moot point right now

glitcher · 10-18-2011

thankz azrael

Yephenpeace · 10-18-2011

I think the idea of Clientsided Censorship sounds better then it really is. For starters, i really don't think it's necessary to allow obscene/rude words to anyone in this game anyway. People need to be mature and keep in mind that there are some younger players, and it seems odd to separate the chat into a "swearing" group and a non-"swearing" group. In another light, young people arn't stupid, do you really want them open to a world of obscenities and rude words with a simple adjustment option?

Also, this can put a barrior on conversations in graal. Sometime you need to reword something because it wrongly censors it, thinking your trying to avoid the censorship. The problem this causes is; if you were talking to someone with Clientsided Censorship, you wouldn't know that it censored it, and the other player may get thd wrong idea about what your trying to say. I know the last example is pretty circumstancial, but i can see that happening more then you think. I just think you guys should give this a little more thought. These are just some concerns i have.

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Rufus Registered rufp4 Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,378	Let's be real here. Don't say "gay means happy" because the word does not mean the same as it did in the 19th century. In today's vocabulary we've got a double meaning for the word gay: one for homosexuals and one is akin to something that is dumb. If you replace "gay" with a different minority when attempting to insult something it just doesn't come out the same way. When it is used it is not used in a derogatory way towards homosexuals--unlike another three letter word beginning with F--it is a word that this our generation has adopted a double meaning for, like it or not. When people discuss this topic it's always like, "I hate when people use the word that way, it's so upsetting to gays!" yet I don't know a single gay person that gives a ****. It's the straight people that are all "supportive of gays" who care. By censoring the word however you are (in my opinion) pushing the negative connotation of the derivative onto the sexuality (gay is bad, essentially) and that kind of namby-pamby solution is what keeps the problem you're trying to address alive. People aren't going to abide by your filter, they're going to evade it, so all you're really doing is carrying the connotation. There is a purpose for a cuss filter on this game, but the word "gay" shouldn't be in it. That is why it isn't in the large list of words that are in this forum's filter.

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Crono :pluffy: Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Sweden Posts: 5,946	Rufus i'd go as far as to say that * also went down the same path. When I call someone a **, it's because they are acting like s (yet another word that doesn't mean what it's supposed to), not because they are showing homosexual qualities (although if you wear pink jeans I will jokingly call you a *).

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MrSimons :) Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: no. Posts: 10,309	U used to not be able to say grape...

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Rexx User Registered Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,626	^ g[rape]

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Dusty Should be fixed. Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 6,359	Just another reason I support clientside optional filtering. Giving the player the choice to opt out of censoring means people won't have a reason to avoid it. This means better censoring for the players who DO want words censoring, because it will always be very easy to evade a censor.

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Tricxta The muffin man Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Burger Refuge Posts: 2,262	^ dusty is right on the money and so I support it!

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Azrael Zanza Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 426	I'd be down with Clientsided Censorship. I'll suggest this idea.

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Sungwonc01 Slightly Amazing. Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,109	personally i have no problem with gays and i really dont see why it should be banned. alot of people say "gey" and other deviations so its moot point right now

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glitcher Registered User Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 129	thankz azrael

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Yephenpeace Love to all Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 1,406	I think the idea of Clientsided Censorship sounds better then it really is. For starters, i really don't think it's necessary to allow obscene/rude words to anyone in this game anyway. People need to be mature and keep in mind that there are some younger players, and it seems odd to separate the chat into a "swearing" group and a non-"swearing" group. In another light, young people arn't stupid, do you really want them open to a world of obscenities and rude words with a simple adjustment option? Also, this can put a barrior on conversations in graal. Sometime you need to reword something because it wrongly censors it, thinking your trying to avoid the censorship. The problem this causes is; if you were talking to someone with Clientsided Censorship, you wouldn't know that it censored it, and the other player may get thd wrong idea about what your trying to say. I know the last example is pretty circumstancial, but i can see that happening more then you think. I just think you guys should give this a little more thought. These are just some concerns i have.