Posted by HON3Y BADG3R

This. How necessary is it to trade? Guild hats would become worthless and mean nothing, scamming everywhere, and you could make 100s of noob accounts and trade the money over to your main.

But... guild hats ARE worthless and they mean absolutely nothing. As for scamming, that's partly buyer beware and also dependant on what systems are put in place to help prevent scams.  

Features that are currently locked to identified accounts are the primary reason why this should never be done on Classic ie. pyrat quest, holidays events like Halloween, Christmas, etc. I was open to the idea [of something like this] while I was an active member of staff, we even have a large part of it scripted, but I have completely changed my mind. There is potential for negative effects on the community, a good example of this is how bastardized Christmas has become, and Classic has done fine in its 5 years without it.

There is no laziness or 'unwillingness to start' the project, there are just other things that should and will be explored.  

Trading would pretty much couse desaster , the amount of scams would be raised by a lot , new trading monitor staff would probably have to be hired which is quite a pointless role that people would get bored of just sitting in trading room all day... Admins would be spammed with scam and fake scam occupations :/ there's really no point in a trading system in graal as hats would have unknown values  

I want to transfer all my items to my main account.  

Posted by Cookie Xanadu

But... guild hats ARE worthless and they mean absolutely nothing. As for scamming, that's partly buyer beware and also dependant on what systems are put in place to help prevent scams.

Guild hats are not worthless , they are far harder to obtain than most of the hats on classic , they take time dedication and in some cases luck to get so I dought they would be worthless if a trading system was put in place

A system to stop scam is not really possible unless u have a admin looking at trades 24/7 , a warning system to be aware of scammers would also not be that affective as graal zone has it and trust me it's still very easy to scam

Posted by Mio

I want to transfer all my items to my main account.

If Both accounts are identified they won't let you infortunatlh ... I had a acc with 100k pks and they said I cant merge the accounts as they are both identified.  

Posted by Rufus

Features that are currently locked to identified accounts are the primary reason why this should never be done on Classic ie. pyrat quest, holidays events like Halloween, Christmas, etc. I was open to the idea [of something like this] while I was an active member of staff, we even have a large part of it scripted, but I have completely changed my mind. There is potential for negative effects on the community, a good example of this is how bastardized Christmas has become, and Classic has done fine in its 5 years without it.

There is no laziness or 'unwillingness to start' the project, there are just other things that should and will be explored.

Bad things could happen, but then again good things can also, at least a trial would be worth a try.  

Posted by Shurikangraal

You can't be scammed if the trade system is done properly.

I honestly think it is just laziness or the unwillingness to begin a trading system.
Also how would trading make items less rare? Many games with trading systems still have rare items. Lets say x amount of people buy a hat before it is removed from a shop. You can't gain anymore than x amount of hats because it can no longer be purchased. Therefor the amount of hats in the game can still only decrease as players will quit. Rarity is not an issue. (and who cares if a few noobs are lucky enough to get their hands on an item. So what, stop whining.)

All of these problems have simple fixes like soul bounding (for quest items and special items like tower hats, GST, and certain event items), fair trade systems, (allow both parties to confirm this is what they are trading and what they are receiving.), any other arguments are invalid.

A trade system would work.

Even if the system is "fool proof", you cannot stop players from making their own "off the system" deals/ scams. For example, lets say the system is similar to that of the Easter egg one, i.e one to one and both players have to agree to the terms before the deal is made. You still cannot stop a player from making their off the system deal of say including his "whole farm" or his "superz kool guild that has 20 tower hours" and then the other player gets scammed.  

Posted by that1guy666

Even if the system is "fool proof", you cannot stop players from making their own "off the system" deals/ scams. For example, lets say the system is similar to that of the Easter egg one, i.e one to one and both players have to agree to the terms before the deal is made. You still cannot stop a player from making their off the system deal of say including his "whole farm" or his "superz kool guild that has 20 tower hours" and then the other player gets scammed.

that's happening either way so that's no excuse.  

Posted by Myst

that's happening either way so that's no excuse.

The idea isn't to help make scamming that easy for players (readily available) , with a trade system although some will use it legitimately, there would be a lot more trying to abuse it, i.e identifying, easter, Christmas presents... etc.  

Posted by that1guy666

The idea isn't to help make scamming that easy for players (readily available) , with a trade system although some will use it legitimately, there would be a lot more trying to abuse it, i.e identifying, easter, Christmas presents... etc.

I might not be understanding you.

In a trade system where both parties select what object they wish to trade and then get to see what the other party has offered (and maybe even description ect) before accepting or declining. In what ways will people get scammed?

As far as I am concerned you can't get scammed with a system like this because you looked over everything and said it was correct.


Aside:
Also I don't see the problem in people trading items to their main accounts as long as the items were acquired legitimately. Also this couldn't be abused because certain items (quest items, exclusive items, holiday, etc) would be soul bound so they could not be traded.  

Posted by Kendama

Many people like hats, as for me, i would be interested in the morphs and some of the ganis definetely. I really always wanted levitate

Kimda, loot and bugs would work, but not even that's or shush, like not mounts or VIP  

Trade of any kind is really horrible in my opinion and I never thought of this before I actually played Classic and went through 2-3 Christmas, Easter egg event.

Yes, you are right it involves the whole community to participate and do something that would be helpful to each other. However, negative side of this or the reality is, most people abuse this whole trading-alike systems. Such as scamming as many of you mentioned, but I also see fake friends just come to me beg for gift/eggs. I mean it's ridiculous and even myself, when it comes around the Christmas I expected some gifts from my friends cause they can gift me. If there's no option for trading/gifting, this game won't get corrupted.

I totally agree what Rufus said up there, Classic had done fine for five years without it. Just look at other games like Runescape that's been out for 10 years. Their economy is so messed up right now. Armors are extremely cheap, consumable items/rare items are outrageously high in price. If Classic allows trading, Classic will be like Runescape. Classic has a lot of rare hats.  

Posted by that1guy666

Even if the system is "fool proof", you cannot stop players from making their own "off the system" deals/ scams. For example, lets say the system is similar to that of the Easter egg one, i.e one to one and both players have to agree to the terms before the deal is made. You still cannot stop a player from making their off the system deal of say including his "whole farm" or his "superz kool guild that has 20 tower hours" and then the other player gets scammed.

thats the guy who got scammed fault
he should just trade items for items nothing else.

you guys are just afraid of trying something new and ading some spice to this game  

Posted by Sardon

thats the guy who got scammed fault
he should just trade items for items nothing else.

you guys are just afraid of trying something new and ading some spice to this game

They don't want to be disturbed by this sort of things.  

Posted by Zetectic

Trade of any kind is really horrible in my opinion and I never thought of this before I actually played Classic and went through 2-3 Christmas, Easter egg event.

Yes, you are right it involves the whole community to participate and do something that would be helpful to each other. However, negative side of this or the reality is, most people abuse this whole trading-alike systems. Such as scamming as many of you mentioned, but I also see fake friends just come to me beg for gift/eggs. I mean it's ridiculous and even myself, when it comes around the Christmas I expected some gifts from my friends cause they can gift me. If there's no option for trading/gifting, this game won't get corrupted.

I totally agree what Rufus said up there, Classic had done fine for five years without it. Just look at other games like Runescape that's been out for 10 years. Their economy is so messed up right now. Armors are extremely cheap, consumable items/rare items are outrageously high in price. If Classic allows trading, Classic will be like Runescape. Classic has a lot of rare hats.

When Graal is as successful as Runescape I will accept this.