Spar lag cap discussion. - 3

Ash Ketchum · 08-13-2015

Posted by Ivy

How about 300

how about no

Ivy · 08-13-2015

Posted by Ash Ketchum

how about no

Okay, 250.

Unknown · 08-13-2015

Posted by Kevin91

I'm just saying don't make a lag cap too low to the point that almost no one will be able to queue up. if you're skilled enough you'll be able to beat anyone with delay. I'm always at 50-100ms. spar is fine the way it is but that's just my opinion

Why would putting the lag cap at 400 make most people unable to queue up? Most sparrers I would say are 300 and below. Also, I don't think it matters how good you are, if you are hit 1 or 2 times before you even see the other player move then you probably aren't going to win. Seeing as it's just guess work when slashing your sword attempting to hit them. If you hit them its not skill, it's luck. Sparring is not meant to be like that and it should not be allowed in the arena period. Yeah some people would get excluded. But then they should just get a better connection imo, other people shouldn't have to suffer because of them. I also know I'm not alone in this, I've talked to a bunch of people who are frustrated about how this kind of lag is allowed.

Livid · 08-13-2015

Posted by Unknown

Why would putting the lag cap at 400 make most people unable to queue up? Most sparrers I would say are 300 and below.

Actually, now a days some sparrers have to deal with 400+ 24/7 due to bad wifi, or their location. 400 imo is way too low, 700-800 is decent enough. Also, although you cant see the players move sometimes due to their lag or delay and such, they also have the same problem as you meaning they cant see you move smoothly either.

Fulgore · 08-13-2015

Posted by Kevin91

get better at spar and then lag will be no problem for any of you

This.

Aguzo · 08-14-2015

When the server is at 4k and someone is delaying, they clearly have a huge advantage, especially if they warp too. Doesn't matter how good you are.

Ivy · 08-14-2015

Posted by Aguzo

When the server is at 4k and someone is delaying, they clearly have a huge advantage, especially if they warp too. Doesn't matter how good you are.

THIS

Pickles · 08-14-2015

Adapt to your surroundings. Simple as that. Maybe I give a lot of you too much respect.

Thallen · 08-14-2015

just needs to be a jitter cap that prevents people from sparring if their ping fluctuates by like 30-40%, not much you can do about delayers

Crono · 08-14-2015

Posted by Thallen

just needs to be a jitter cap that prevents people from sparring if their ping fluctuates by like 30-40%, not much you can do about delayers

What if the ping is fluctuating because of the server though?

Xavier · 08-14-2015

Posted by Kevin91

get better at spar and then lag will be no problem for any of you

This.

I wrote this in a spar thread two years ago, but it's very relevant here:

As someone who has frequently been on both sides of this issue, since I used to have a WiFi with 100-300 ping (for the past year I now have 50-60), both players have just as hard of a time hitting each other. The only reason the person who lags usually wins is because they know how to predict where their opponent will be, while the non-lagger has no clue how to predict anything.

It's not an advantage, it's just better experience.

This also goes for people who are warping around. You are warping on their screen as well. It's just that, generally speaking, they can predict with better accuracy where someone will be after the next warp.

Since the server is unstable, the solution is to just get better at sparring.

Unknown · 08-14-2015

Posted by Xavier

This.

I wrote this in a spar thread two years ago, but it's very relevant here:

As someone who has frequently been on both sides of this issue, since I used to have a WiFi with 100-300 ping (for the past year I now have 50-60), both players have just as hard of a time hitting each other. The only reason the person who lags usually wins is because they know how to predict where their opponent will be, while the non-lagger has no clue how to predict anything.

It's not an advantage, it's just better experience.

This also goes for people who are warping around. You are warping on their screen as well. It's just that, generally speaking, they can predict with better accuracy where someone will be after the next warp.

Since the server is unstable, the solution is to just get better at sparring.

Maybe that logic works for people you have sparred before. However, if I am sparring a new person, I have no idea what their technique is like. I can make the best possible guess, but I'd really have no way of knowing what they spar like would I?

I am arguing that you shouldn't have to be put in that position in the first place. Jumping around the screen randomly (unless you are quite familiar with a lagger's technique) is not what a spar is supposed to be. Why am I being forced to deal with people who can't maintain a reasonable connection. And I hope someone doesn't say "just don't spar then" because that's the wrong mentality for fixing the issue in my opinion.

Chun · 08-14-2015

Anyone saying delay/lag is not an advantage because they are experiencing it too is just lying to themselves and total bs. There is clearly an advantage. I don't see how better experience is not an advantage.

Let's say Sally is a delayer with 10k wins, and Sam is a normal sparrer with no delay/lag and also has 10k wins. Both of them should have the same experience. But Sally clearly would have an advantage if they spar, since Sally already has 10k wins of experience with her unique delay and know how much to predict while Sam may have little to no experience of Sally's delay.

Thallen · 08-14-2015

Posted by Crono

What if the ping is fluctuating because of the server though?

agreed, which is why the whole conversation is moot until the server gets improved

the "get better at sparring" discussion is stupid, it's not even about that
it's that there are some players who clearly "artificially lag" and use the fact that they are located in Europe/Asia/wherever as a crutch for them to recklessly teleport around the arena, shouldn't be happening even if you can 100-0 that player

I personally don't care if someone delays, it's boring but easy, but someone warping around the arena "because I live in _____" (bad excuse) is stupid, 100% random spar, disadvantages the better player and advantages the worse player

Craftz · 08-14-2015

Might as well just ban laggers from the server because it's annoying when pkers at towers are laggy.

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Aguzo Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 3,027	When the server is at 4k and someone is delaying, they clearly have a huge advantage, especially if they warp too. Doesn't matter how good you are.

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Pickles Just some kid Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 93	Adapt to your surroundings. Simple as that. Maybe I give a lot of you too much respect.

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Thallen Enguard & Alumni Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 5,773	just needs to be a jitter cap that prevents people from sparring if their ping fluctuates by like 30-40%, not much you can do about delayers

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Chun God Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: my house Posts: 132	Anyone saying delay/lag is not an advantage because they are experiencing it too is just lying to themselves and total bs. There is clearly an advantage. I don't see how better experience is not an advantage. Let's say Sally is a delayer with 10k wins, and Sam is a normal sparrer with no delay/lag and also has 10k wins. Both of them should have the same experience. But Sally clearly would have an advantage if they spar, since Sally already has 10k wins of experience with her unique delay and know how much to predict while Sam may have little to no experience of Sally's delay.

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Craftz New Age Legacy Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Graal Posts: 1,633	Might as well just ban laggers from the server because it's annoying when pkers at towers are laggy.