Just found out today that graalium is no longer 1:2 with zc.
Along with this all the prices just seem soooo ridiculous its unbelievable, i guess if there was teirs, then that would kinda adjust the prices,
However, making guns untradable i find stupid, i am looking for a egg launcher i had awhile back when i sold and im saving so making guns untradable will mean i cant get it again. I mean making spar/pk reward guns untradable is the right thing, because those pk reward hats sucked because they were tradable  

Guns untraceable is this era  

My mistake, guns like egg, pez, blue xmas will still be tradable since theyre more of a collectors item imo

Graalium isnt 2:1? Says who?  

Posted by GenoIndeed

Graalium isnt 2:1? Says who?

It's not.

Hasn't been since they started selling Graalium at the robot place.

Don't change anything with trades.

Taking a step forward doesn't mean progression.

Want to make a change in trading? Gather up all your trading buddies and tell them to stop selling guns or to raise the prices.

Don't change the player economy... It's meant to be a player economy.

And I don't want any "oh that's too hard" stuff since Amer basically was the person who raised the price of goons from 70 since he bought like 100 of them for 150 and sold them for like 120.

Don't want any guns being given to noobs? Buy them all, take it from the players point. Don't be waving your staff powers when you don't need to. Don't just resort to server change because y'all lazy to make some actual change.

Good leaders don't enforce. They set guides that people are willing to follow.

Geno honestly I've seen you everywhere I've been and that's saying something. You have as many if not more connections as I have. Go spam people to just not trade items to make it more balanced. Like people already do this on a low scale with hats, now do it.

Don't let your dreams just be dreams.

just do it.

Nike.

Jk.

I only wear reebok.

Mk.  

Posted by GenoIndeed

My mistake, guns like egg, pez, blue xmas will still be tradable since theyre more of a collectors item imo

Graalium isnt 2:1? Says who?

i have been trying to sell my 1700 grail for about 1-2 weeks now and the only people who offer (id say a few) have said either 500 zc for 1200 graalium or something similar.  

Posted by Skt A. Sangue

It's not.

Hasn't been since they started selling Graalium at the robot place.

Don't change anything with trades.

Taking a step forward doesn't mean progression.

Want to make a change in trading? Gather up all your trading buddies and tell them to stop selling guns or to raise the prices.

Don't change the player economy... It's meant to be a player economy.

And I don't want any "oh that's too hard" stuff since Amer basically was the person who raised the price of goons from 70 since he bought like 100 of them for 150 and sold them for like 120.

Don't want any guns being given to noobs? Buy them all, take it from the players point. Don't be waving your staff powers when you don't need to. Don't just resort to server change because y'all lazy to make some actual change.

Good leaders don't enforce. They set guides that people are willing to follow.

Geno honestly I've seen you everywhere I've been and that's saying something. You have as many if not more connections as I have. Go spam people to just not trade items to make it more balanced. Like people already do this on a low scale with hats, now do it.

Don't let your dreams just be dreams.

just do it.

Nike.

Jk.

I only wear reebok.

Mk.

No one is going to voluntarily just raise their prices, and no one is going to voluntarily lower them either. If they raise them too much, it isn't going to sell. If they lower them too much, they aren't getting anything out of the deal. Why would you restrict players from getting a certain weapon? This only makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

I don't care if Amer did, because not everyone is going to just voluntarily buy 100 units of an item, either. This will only monopolize.  

Posted by TWIZ

No one is going to voluntarily just raise their prices, and no one is going to voluntarily lower them either. If they raise them too much, it isn't going to sell. If they lower them too much, they aren't getting anything out of the deal.

And those are the people that are legends.

Mad props to fp who lowered the burrito price.

Mad props to Kayla for basically establishing the unicorn hat... And for a low price.

Like if you really want to help the server, don't help the server. Help the players.

Like if you buy in bulk you could have like 30 rippers for 3k. Not even a jokes. Like I'm pretty sure that Faz with his like 100 stingrays are what's keeping them at that price. He constantly sells them for that price which is why the price is stabilized. Now buy rippers for 500zc and ask your friends to do so... People will believe that the price has gone up and etc etc.

It's not difficult.

Like I'm still rolling on 2000zc that pride gave me when he left. Sell them for those prices and ask people to buy them. I'd buy them.  

My belief is, trading is what caused the graalium prices to drop, this game lost so much money due to dang near everything being tradable and at a much lower cost ratio than buying with gralats. No one buys packs for store items anymore when theyre all tradable and people just have to get a few zc to buy, or be donated, decent enough items to use til they save up the zc for rippers or sabers. With a large loss of income due to trading, buyable graalium had to be added as a buyable alternative to zc, and the payouts of graalium and junk had to be lowered to influence people to buy packs instead of spending even more time grinding for them.

As of gun trading, all variations of guns will be buyable in stores one way or another, and the collector stuff (vip, holiday, auctions) are best left to be the only thing tradable, doing so will decrease their prices because the only thing making them sell would be their visual (and sliiiiight stat buffs) perks. Lets say the pulse sniper is like 100k zc (or whatever stupid price its at now), with the railgun, pk/spar prize guns, and future high end guns i have planned, the only perk to owning a PS would be its fancy and has a slight edge over whatever gun is supposed to rival it, and the prize room guns (most notably the pk ones) would be better than it stat-wise (same slight edge perk similar to the Snipers perk over its buyable counterpart). Why would someone then want to buy the Sniper for combat purposes at a completely unreasonable price? Even if its rival was 60k zc in the zc shop or even 100k gralats in a store, thats still far better than spending 100k for a slightly better gun. Having less items influence zc, even in the slightest bit will help lower prices along with adding more copies of an item (whether exact or similar enough). Plus, people need stuff to work for, its what help mmo games to become biigger. And the new gun system and future gun economy will benefit much much better with this change.

Re-reading this i coulda reworded the first line better lol, but the point im making should be clear  

Posted by GenoIndeed

My belief is, trading is what caused the graalium prices to drop, this game lost so much money due to dang near everything being tradable and at a much lower cost ratio than buying with gralats. No one buys packs for store items anymore when theyre all tradable and people just have to get a few zc to buy, or be donated, decent enough items to use til they save up the zc for rippers or sabers. With a large loss of income due to trading, buyable graalium had to be added as a buyable alternative to zc, and the payouts of graalium and junk had to be lowered to influence people to buy packs instead of spending even more time grinding for them.

As of gun trading, all variations of guns will be buyable in stores one way or another, and the collector stuff (vip, holiday, auctions) are best left to be the only thing tradable, doing so will decrease their prices because the only thing making them sell would be their visual (and sliiiiight stat buffs) perks. Lets say the pulse sniper is like 100k zc (or whatever stupid price its at now), with the railgun, pk/spar prize guns, and future high end guns i have planned, the only perk to owning a PS would be its fancy and has a slight edge over whatever gun is supposed to rival it, and the prize room guns (most notably the pk ones) would be better than it stat-wise (same slight edge perk similar to the Snipers perk over its buyable counterpart). Why would someone then want to buy the Sniper for combat purposes at a completely unreasonable price? Even if its rival was 60k zc in the zc shop or even 100k gralats in a store, thats still far better than spending 100k for a slightly better gun. Having less items influence zc, even in the slightest bit will help lower prices along with adding more copies of an item (whether exact or similar enough). Plus, people need stuff to work for, its what help mmo games to become biigger. And the new gun system and future gun economy will benefit much much better with this change.

Re-reading this i coulda reworded the first line better lol, but the point im making should be clear

Like the ideas. I do believe that every gun that's 'proer' than at least the siphon pistols should have more or less the same stats with just small benefits. Because if you make one gun really good then everyone will use it... And then we will be in the situation we are now... (I will admit that since geno stepped up there's more diversity. Gg)

Also na. Screw the gun prize rooms. We need melee prize rooms.

We should also just get a death room.

Like I'm at 8000 deaths. Everyone shoots me when I try to quick scope melee dem D:

Make a room for all weapons really.

Like there should be like an advantage to getting 1000 er beamer kills...



But in terms of making money; I've said it multiple times. Isn't it obvious?... Just add more skybases. Duh.

But real talk if you want more money give us a reason to buy VIP.

Because I only buy packs for VIP cus 7.5k too hard to get in a day D;  

There will be guns, melees, hats, ganis and other goodies in the prize rooms.

And i have the weapon vip items taken care of, they'll all be worthwhile  

ew prize rooms... Just another encouragement for boosting, especially in spar.  

We gotta treat the players for their time. With your slawn idea added, boosting will be minimal, and spar boosting is much easier to prevent than pk boosting. But lets not focus too much on the negatives  

Posted by GenoIndeed

We gotta treat the players for their time. With your slawn idea added, boosting will be minimal, and spar boosting is much easier to prevent than pk boosting. But lets not focus too much on the negatives

Spar bosting is much, much easier. I've said this before and I'll say it again; spar & PK should not have rewards. People should do it for the stats/they like it.  

Zone needs goals, and i already started making them  

Posted by GenoIndeed

Zone needs goals, and i already started making them

You noobs got off topic

AND SO WILL I!

here's some goals- Take skybase one. Take skybase 2. Now 3. Now 4. Now hold for as long as possible.

The only goals I've ever needed. And its constantly an ongoing process. Very fun indeed.

Real talk though the achievements are just the worst. They aren't even those like little surprises you get from Easter eggs in games. Like I'd rather have the ONE TENTH(.1%) extra health in portal than the zc. Like actually.

As for actual goals however y'all can idk... Use the planets for quests... Want player turnout? Make a daily quest. Like you always see people at Pyrat Bay. Js.

To stay on topic however I will tie my concluding statement to this thread.

Trading is a finesse. Talk to me when you have learned every price and the top traders etc etc.

Don't try to change things you have no business in changing.

Like I always quote Albion since I work for it but also since the staff in the game actually make a game democratic. Wanted to change the boots. They did. We said no. They restored them. Now they always ask us players that are known for said things for advice. Like I have the highest jump level, I was asked on how to nerf getting levels.

Want real advice? Don't ask me pig or twiz. Pig is always in trades but is always afk and never forks up the big bucks. I don't trade anything over 3000zc since I'm poor and cheap, and fairly I don't care about the hat trades. Twiz... Well I've seen twiz in the trade house a lot in the day but honestly I haven't seen him a lot. And I've been on every day on noob accounts just asking random people questions.

Again, we are NOT experts. We talk about trades from the outside, when we have no real idea what is what's up.

Ask people like Faz who's always trading what he thinks.

That's a viable source.

Mk.

I was on the toilet writing this, in the words of the great CronoX (degree mark) San"(triangles)(I use Fleksy keyboard and can't do those symbols mk), "Slim, I seriously wonder if you are ever busy". And to that I say-... I was in the bathroom for 7 minutes writing this. You be the judge.